Gilliangirl Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Okay, here's the video. It's David Allan Coe, and it's not for the faint of heart. If you get past the sparkly silver boots at 0:25, let me know what key you think he's playing that song in. The best I can figure is that he's doing it in Eb. But, the shapes he's using would suggest that he's got the guitar tuned a half-step higher than standard tuning?? I thought that was a big no-no? Am I way off here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry K Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Yeah, I think you are right: he's playing a D chord for the root but the note is Eb, so he appears to have tuned the whole guitar up by half a step. Cheater! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaPic Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I agree. Lightnin' Hopkins often tuned a half step or more higher as well. Anyways when I play along with the video in standard tuning I've got to go a half step higher (more-or-less) to sound in tune with the video. Whether or not it's a no-no to tune a half step higher or more is up to the guitar owner. Pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilliangirl Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 Thanks Jerry and Dave! I thought I was losing my marbles there for a minute. That puts a whole lot of tension on the guitar, doesn't it? I've always heard that's a no-no...... use a capo instead. But, he can afford to ruin guitars, I guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambler Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I've always heard that's a no-no...... Depends GG-- how thick a string he's using' date=' whether or not he keeps it there, or not. Oth, he could be doing that to [i']suit his voice[/i]. I read a good quote from Raul Rishell, about him finding out how old country blues players would tune the box to suit their singing voice, not adapt the voice to the guitar, point being that the singing was the priority for them, and, maybe DAC too. Paul Rishell, pickin': Home page: http://www.paulandannie.com/content/ The quote was from Tipaldi, Children of the Blues http://www.amazon.com/Children-Blues-Musicians-Generation-Tradition/dp/0879307005/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242267530&sr=8-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballcorner Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I can't wait for Wil Farrell to play him in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilliangirl Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 I can't wait for Wil Farrell to play him in the movie. Will Ferrell is playing David Allan Coe in a movie?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilliangirl Posted May 13, 2009 Author Share Posted May 13, 2009 Depends GG-- how thick a string he's using' date=' whether or not he keeps it there, or not. Oth, he could be doing that to [i']suit his voice[/i]. I read a good quote from Raul Rishell, about him finding out how old country blues players would tune the box to suit their singing voice, not adapt the voice to the guitar, point being that the singing was the priority for them, and, maybe DAC too. Paul Rishell, pickin': Home page: http://www.paulandannie.com/content/ The quote was from Tipaldi, Children of the Blues http://www.amazon.com/Children-Blues-Musicians-Generation-Tradition/dp/0879307005/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242267530&sr=8-3 I suppose if they're light strings and it's not left that way for long.... but why wouldn't he just stick the capo on the first fret? I like that clip of Paul Rishell, Jkinnama! I haven't heard of him before. I'll have to check out more of his stuff. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballcorner Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Will Ferrell is playing David Allan Coe in a movie?? Well, I am thinking he certainly could! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOESTONE Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 It might also be that the clip was sped up a half step. I know that was done intentionally on some artists songs in the studio to add a bit of energy. Or it could have been sped up unintentionally. That's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWilson Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 +1 on Paul Rishell ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewilyfool Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 GillianGirl....I think his boots would look good on you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilliangirl Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 GillianGirl....I think his boots would look good on you... I was thinking if he clicked his heels together three times, he'd be going home to Kansas! There's no place like home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilliangirl Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 Well' date=' I am thinking he certainly could![/quote'] I'd buy a ticket to see that LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambler Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 GG +TW. Glad you dug Rishell. His partner, Annie Raines, on harp is mighty fine as well. Moving to the Country is his best cd imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L5Larry Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 OK, so this thread got me surfing You Tube for David Allen Coe, and I came across this video from a 1983 Austin City Limits show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQgnF6KXGe4&feature=related Isn't that Warren Haynes on lead guitar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Sometimes, GG, when a song is played back, the speed is a bit off and it changes the apparent key. Remember back in the days of 33.333333 and 45 RPM records? There's a reason for those two speeds. You could slow a 45 down to 33.33333 and not change the key. Not sure of the science behind it, but it was there. I have one CD player, that is nearly new and, apparently, in good working order, but on play back, it plays just enough slower that it drops the key a half step. All other CD players in the house are essentially the same, a half step higher. Go figure. Same could be happening with any YouTube offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilliangirl Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 Okay, I've unravelled the mystery. It appears that every song on the Heartworn Highways video (which is where this clip is from) has been sped up a half-step! I've checked 5 of the songs, compared them to the CD soundtrack, and the video documentary songs are all a half-step higher. So, Joestone, you were right. Well, we were all right in some regard. Tommy, I've noticed that same phenomenon with a few older Emmylou Harris songs. The are recorded in between steps. They are literally a bit too sharp for a G#, but too flat for an A, for instance. Must be recording studio tricks, etc. Larry, that looks like Warren Haynes to me. The guy just doesn't seem to age! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Walsh Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Wow. This is a cool thread. DAC is entertaining. Thanks for the tip. Is he wearing Navajo ear rings or what? If you want to be a Country Star ya gotta look the part. Cool guitar too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Could be the studio GG. If the selection of songs don't quite fit a standard CD, speeding them all up a tad, will allow you to get them all in and who's to know but a guit tar picker from Calgary? Back in the day we had a radio station that bosted 63 minutes of music every hour. Their engineer speeded up their record player just enough that they were able to achieve this AND get in commercials. When I realized that my on CD player was playing slow, I was working on a Beatles song... "I'm Only Sleeping," I think, for music lessons. When I practiced at home, I'd tune the guit tar down to where it played at home, then when I played it on a different player at the lesson, the fingerings didn't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeM Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Years ago, I bought a cassette deck with a pitch control. It was tiresome haveing to retune my guitar every 2-3 songs when playing along with a record. I would record to cassette, and then "correct" the pitch.When I had figured out that trick...I was very happy. I always figured the tuneing discrepency was due to origional recordings done in different Studios...or a studio trick...or my turntable speed slightly varied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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