oo0paddyc0oo Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 G'day team. I've already posted this over on the Semi Hollow Forum. But I have not yet had any answers. So I thought that I would put it to you guys and girls, as you all have been so informative in the past (which I greatly appreciate). I'm considering swaping out the Grover Machine Heads (Kidney Shaped) on my '98 ES335 with some Gibson Vintage Machine Heads. Simply because I think they look cooler. Has anyone done this? Will there be any visible marks in the back of the Head Stock? I.E. in the finish or perhaps screw marks? Cheers, PC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drathbun Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I would guess that the vintage tuner would cover, or even use the existing hole from the Grover. You'll need to drill another hole for the upper screw on the vintage tuner. The Grover only has one. If the original Grover hole shows, it might not be by much. This would be a one-way change however. Once you drill that second hole, if you go back to a modern tuner, you'll have to fill the extra hole and touch it up. It can be masked but will never disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryp58 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I say leave it as is, unless there is a problem with the Grovers, which I doubt very seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanvillRob Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I gotta agree... leave the OEM tuners alone unless there is something wrong with them. I have a set of gold-toned Grovers for my '69 Jubilee, but the OEM tuners (Klusen), still work perfectly...so the Grovers sit in a drawer. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertjohn Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Do you mean the tulip shaped tuners, like in your avatar? I've had the same thought about my 335 too. And I agree they do look so much better. But the grovers are great and many people say function better than the tulip (Klusons?) There's bound to be some collateral damage but that would be fixable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drathbun Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I think they are actually Klusons although they say Gibson on them in the online store. Since Gibson doesn't manufacture tuners, I'd expect they are the Kluson Deluxe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertjohn Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Hey Paddy. I've just come across this thread in the Hollowbody forum. Some interesing stuff especially the vintage tulip type Grovers that fit the existing screw holes. You've got me thinking now. http://forums.gibson.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22066 BTW I was picking up some strings this afternoon at my local shop. On the counter was a packet of Gibson Vintage tulip type tuners. So I chatted to the shop owner about them. In his opinion the Gibson ones should be avoided. The backing plate is part of the structure and therefore make any maintenance difficult. Perhaps something else to bear in mind. They do look great on a 335! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo0paddyc0oo Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Thanks for the input kids. I think I will stay with the Grovers. Looks like I'm just going to have buy myself another 335. I'm sure my girlfriend wont mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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