DAS44 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Tonewise what's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max2343 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 More Bass and Midrange with the EL34's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepblue Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 6l6 are more of a american tone like la scene sounds and the el34's are more british tone' date=' imo. And in my experience.[/quote'] Perfect description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Wasn't the OP asking about EL84s? A much more drastic difference IMO than the difference between 6L6s and EL34s (which is substantial in itself) Which tubes are you asking us to compare, Dom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoLibMan Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I give, what's a 6L6s and EL-84s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermionik Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 . EL84 Rich creamy tone with good mid-range and treble response. Some call it "vintage" tone. Short answer - flat and bright. 6L6 More bass and mid with glass-like clean tones, with a lot of clean head-room before they break up. Short answer - scooped mids. I had a little adapter a while back allowed 6L6 to EL84 swapping in the same amp. That's how I got to tell, because if you compare them in different amps (like a Fender with 6L6 to a VOX running EL84) the difference is as much down to the amp design..... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXE® Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Ding Ding Ding!!!! We have a winnah!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Ding Ding Ding!!!! We have a winnah!!!! What he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djroge1 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 If you would like to sort of hear the difference yourself I think a close comparison would be for you to play thru one of the new Egnator amps. It's not exactly the same, but close. Their Rebel has: two 6V6 and two EL84 Renegade: two 6L6 and two EL34 So they wouldn't be an exact comparison, but they would get you in the ball park of sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermionik Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 . DAS44 - just so as you know whence my answer came: I started out back in the seventies with 100W Marshalls, but got confused by a Fender Twin-Reverb back then - it sounded so good but different too..... Then for a while in the eighties I really got into the EL84 sound of the AC30 for a long time, every time I played one I loved it. In the nineties I had a Fender Champ for a while and played through several Boogies running 6L6 push-pull, which kind of "led" me to the Fender Bandmaster of a friend, but shortly before I was going to buy it I picked up my Bassman (which I ran with Tung-Sol 5881's). So then I got kinda side-tracked back to my really early days and Marshalls with EL34 and now I am using a 70's Traynor combo, Marshall EL34's in a Fender Twin-Reverb and as good as tube-amps get. So my attempt to compare the tone differences between 6L6 and EL84 is biased by my own preferences, but based on personal experience. Especially since I did once actually swap between them in the same combo using a pair of Yellow-Jacket converters in a Champ 12 red-knob. The Ding Ding Ding stuff just confuses me..... waaay over my head. I just play guitar. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAS44 Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 Alright therm.... you never dissapoint now which one might (in any of your opinions) work best for undistorted blues and texas blues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermionik Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 . . DAS44 - hate to do this to you, but..... .....it depends on the whole combination of amp layout, speaker choice and cabinet design. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djroge1 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Alright therm.... you never dissapoint now which one might (in any of your opinions) work best for undistorted blues and texas blues? An amp running 6L6's but the texas blues sound you need to turn up the volume until the power tubes (6L6's) start to break up. That mark depends on the amp, but probably somewhere around the 6 mark on the volume knob. You can do this with the EL84's but the classic blues & texas blues especially are the 6l6. And yes also to what Therm said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAS44 Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 .. DAS44 - hate to do this to you' date=' but..... .....it depends on the whole combination of amp layout, speaker choice and cabinet design. . . fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max2343 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 According to this Article its all in the Phase Inverter not the Power Tubes and Sorry for the Screw-up on tubes. http://www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com/files/Phaseinverter.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G u e s t Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 . . Wow - that was one confusing article, and the author seemed confused too! I am always suspicious of any claims that one thing alone dictates tone. For starters - my fingers can pull tone ranges out of a guitar just by the way I play - before I start using the volume and tone knobs. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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