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Hello everyone,im new to this great site,my question is about gibson chambering les pauls,in your opinions does this change the overall tone of the les paul in a good or bad way,i just ordered a 2008 gibson les paul classic in honeyburst,i wanted to add a les paul in my guitar arsenal,i owned some les paul in the 70s and 80s but sold them(i can kick myself in the *** for selling them)the majority of my guitars are strats with humbuckers and floyd roses,so i just wanted to go back to a les paul,anyway your opinions would be helpful,also i forgot to add i was surfing a site called "les paul form"and there was a person stating that USA les pauls know are being made in china and are shipped back to nashville for painting,if that is true i will cancel my order that i just placed,Thanks..........

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China? No way!

 

The 2008 LP USA guitars are avilable as long neck tenon joint w/chambering or as short tenon w/weight relief (holes). Have a search and you'll find a lot of views eg this thread: http://forums.gibson.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=284

 

Alternatively, My Les Paul Forums http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/ have debated this until everyone is blue in the face.

 

Anyhow, welcome! Don't cancel that order!

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I think some Epiphone's are made in China and assembled here. I doubt if Gibson did too. Why not call Gibson to find out?

 

You really can't ask if chambering has a positive or negative affect on tone...that's your call. Some people like them and others don't. I have two weight-relieved and one chambered. Mind you, the pickups are different, but do they sound the same...no. Do I like the tone...yes.

 

For that matter, LP Custom and Standard, which aren't chambered, sound nothing alike either...they're completely different animals.

 

As far as ordering a guitar, why wouldn't you at least play a chambered LP before buying? You've owned LPs in the past. I think this may put you into the "they don't make 'em like they used to" category. I find the vintage LP guys don't like chambering. On the other hand, a chambered LP may surprise you and won't kill your back.

 

Since you're familiar with LPs, then you know that each LP is unique...so, why didn't you try before you buy?

 

Just my two cents...

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Tim is right in so much as that Epiphone do have a factory in China. Below was part of a Q & A with Epiphone President Jim Rosenberg

 

EPI: I understand Epiphone has even opened its own factory in China. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

 

JIM: Sure. And I think it's a great follow-up to the topic of quality. Ten to fifteen years ago, many Epiphone guitars were made at the same factories where many other guitars were and are currently made. In this case, it's difficult, if not impossible, to have a substantially better instrument than your competition when the parts, process and people to make them are the same. Therefore, in order to produce a superior instrument, we needed to open our own factory. So in October 2002, we opened Qingdao Gibson - our own factory near Qingdao, China dedicated to making Epiphone and only Epiphone guitars. To my knowledge, we are the only U.S. guitar company with their own factory in Asia. That's a significant difference.

 

EPI: Are all Epiphones made at the new China factory?

 

JIM: Oh no. We still build out our USA collection such as the John Lennon Casino and the John Lee Hooker Sheraton in Nashville. And our Elitist guitars are all made in Japan. We're having a hard time meeting customer demand for both so we're looking for ways to increase production on these in 2004 while maintaining their top-of-the-line quality standards.

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China? No way!

 

The 2008 LP USA guitars are avilable as long neck tenon joint w/chambering or as short tenon w/weight relief (holes). Have a search and you'll find a lot of views eg this thread: http://forums.gibson.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=284

 

Alternatively' date=' My Les Paul Forums http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/ have debated this until everyone is blue in the face.

 

Anyhow, welcome! Don't cancel that order!

 

ibis,

 

Where did you hear that the '08 Std. would be with Long Neck Tenon. I have read it will be a different Neck Tenon but it did not state it would be long, just different. Also, it is suppose to have upgrade electronics and TunePros hardware.

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can anyone explain which models are chambered and which are weight relieved? i have a les paul standard faded (honeyburst sept. 2007) and would like to know if she is chambered or relieved... not that it will make any difference to me, she sounds and feels perfect!

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can anyone explain which models are chambered and which are weight relieved? i have a les paul standard faded (honeyburst sept. 2007) and would like to know if she is chambered or relieved... not that it will make any difference to me' date=' she sounds and feels perfect![/quote']

 

chambered

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ibis' date='

 

Where did you hear that the '08 Std. would be with Long Neck Tenon. I have read it will be a different Neck Tenon but it did not state it would be long, just different. Also, it is suppose to have upgrade electronics and TunePros hardware. [/quote']

 

I think we're all in the dark until either Gibson fills us in for certain, or the stock 'hits the shelves' and is dissected. I hear that the 'long neck tenon' on chambered 08 standards is not as long as 'Historic long'. But then again its all rumours. I think its time for Gibson to 'Habeas Corpus' - produce the body!

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My '07 LP Std is no heavier than my Strat. The tone is incredible... just what you'd expect from a Les Paul. I don't notice that it is "less warm" or has less sustain than any others I have played.

 

...and isn't the location of manufacture part of the S/N? I didn't see China listed as an option O:)

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They are not, and never were, made in China. Gibson did open a factory in China to make the low end guitars that they are selling through stores like Best Buy and such, I forget the exact product line, but they are meant to be under $150 or so and used as an introductory guitar. It is funny, but it was after they opened the plant that these Chinese fakes started flooding the net en masse.

All Gibson USA guitars have been weight relieved since 1982. Between 82 and 2006 this was done with 9 holes drilled into the mahogany in such a way that it did not affect tone. In 2007 they began cutting out chambers for weight relief and once again, these are supposed to have a minimal impact on tone.

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They are not' date=' and never were, made in China. Gibson did open a factory in China to make the low end guitars that they are selling through stores like Best Buy and such, I forget the exact product line, but they are meant to be under $150 or so and used as an introductory guitar. It is funny, but it was after they opened the plant that these Chinese fakes started flooding the net en masse.[/quote']

 

Raptor is 100% right - I saw this great show the BBC over here in the UK on the FAKE trade, not sure if anyone else caught it.

 

Basically, the way things work in China is that as soon as a brand open an "official" factory in China (Adidas, Nike, or any of the luxury good brands). An exact copy factory eventually opens up next door using the same employees machinery and technology. The end products coming out of the FAKE factory are almost the same at a 10th of the price.

 

So what will happen with Gibson is that the techology and "know how" passed on to Chinese workers will eventually lead to extremelly good copies of GIBSON's coming out of China. GIBSON will only have themselves to blame....

 

The Chinese can FAKE anything. They are even Making FAKE eggs now!

 

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Question : Are the above examples legit Epiphone LP's or future FAKE Gibsons? You decide....

 

O:)

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tenon length doesn't mean anything' date=' no matter what the cork sniffers think.

 

and as a member of another forum so cleverly noted:

 

Short tenon or long tenon? Who the f*** cares once the drums kick in?[/quote']

 

Tenon envy?

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