David T Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I was looking for a Rosewood one in the UK and can only find a maple one. It's also a long way away so I can't drop in and have a go. Can anyone tell me what difference I would notice ? Also, I play bluesy fingerstyle with bare skin fingertips so I like a Guitar to be responsive, loud, easy to play and pretty Bassy. Any other suggestions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Maple will be more brighter in tone - more high and a bit of mids with not too much bass response, whereas the Rosewood will provide a more bassier and even fuller tone. Maple is best used with an Englemann Spruce top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarstrummer Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Maple will be more brighter in tone - more high and a bit of mids with not too much bass response' date=' whereas the Rosewood will provide a more bassier and even fuller tone. Maple is best used with an Englemann Spruce top. [/quote'] I agree. I own a rosewood and have played the maple. LPDEN is right on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearbasher Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I have a maple and rosewood J-45, although it's a different model, I also have to agree with LPDEN. And I will add the rosewood seems to produce more volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 My CJ rosewood has about 3 hours play on it and it still thinks it's a tree. It will loosen up in time but I don't have the time to give it. I did have a weird dream last week that the neck split right down it's length just like a split rail fence. I woke up and ran to the next room to make sure it was okay (yeah, I'm weird like that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodehopper Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I have a CJ-165 in Maple. I haven't had a chance to play a rosewood model so I can't address that part of your post. I do play bluesy fingerstyle and can say that the CJ-165 is a great guitar for that type of playing. While it sounds good for blues it is not a one trick pony and can play just about anything you can throw at it. Perhaps the rosewood would have more bass.....I am not at all disappointed in the bass sound of my maple ...especially now that it has really opened up. I love mine and would highly recommend it for fingerstyle blues. ksdaddy - I had mine for a month+ when I starting working on some Lightnin' Hopkins style blues with thumping monotonic bass. I practiced thumping that bass about 8 hours over a weekend and it really opened up the guitar. And it just keeps getting better and better! Glad you didn't find your CJ with it's neck split.....sounds like a horrible nightmare and not a dream :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambler Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 As nodehopper implies, it depends on your music. Besides blues, maple works well for chimey folk & rock (cf P Townsend on Who's next). It may sound a bit compressed in this size tho. RW will give you more power, sustain and overtones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Gear basher adds a good point about volume. The bass response certainly provides what is percieved as greater volume too. Deep down inside I am a Mahogany guy, but I lust after Rosewood, Maple and Cherry too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David T Posted April 15, 2008 Author Share Posted April 15, 2008 So, what other Guitars should I have a look at, Southern Jumbo ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambler Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 So' date=' what other Guitars should I have a look at, Southern Jumbo ??[/quote'] If there is any guitar that's a workhorse, its a slope Jumbo (so Jumbo, J45, j50 etc). Sounds good strummed and fingerpicked. Wont sound "out" in most styles. And very good for fingerstyle blues. Of the 2 CJs, most prefer maple over Rw for blues. Rose is "purtier" rich choclately ringing sustaining. Not a good thing for fingerstyle when you want separation and a clear ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwatsonfan Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 quote: Also, I play bluesy fingerstyle with bare skin fingertips so I like a Guitar to be responsive, loud, easy to play and pretty Bassy. hmmm sounds like you are describing my CJ-165 RW my guitar has tremendous warmth and presence for a small body and wow does it sound great strummed too, which is just icing on the cake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsc Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 David T, sounds like you will get a great guitar either way you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 So' date=' what other Guitars should I have a look at, Southern Jumbo ??[/quote'] I would try as many different models you can find at dealers near where you live, the more you try hands on, the better idea you will get as to which one appeals to you the most. Your budge will also dictate which models you can choose too. Son't let the musicians friend or other online retailers scare you off, some mom and pops often do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarstrummer Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 I agree with that. If you're not sure what you want, you owe it to yourself to try as many as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefleppard Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 i am looking for a louder guitar. i have the songwriter deluxe and i find that, while the bass is rich, the overall tone is too gloomy and not very loud. i played the cj-165 rw and found it louder but tonally the same thing as the songwriter. the salesguy suggested that the maple version has good bass response but with glassier mids and highs, similar to, but not quite as loud or expensive as, the j-200. this sounded like what i wanted so i impulsively ordered one on the spot. can anyone reassure me that i, even in haste, have done the right thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWilson Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 You've done the right thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Sir, you've done the right thing. I really don't think rosewood is what you want for bluesy finger picking. I have played on and they are really excellent guitars. Also, you won't see too many out there, so take pride having scored a rarer model. It's 2:25 am and I just crammed some Pepperidge Farm cookies into my mouth. Someone, anyone, please tell me I made the right decision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Yesterday when I was at the Dollar Store picking up some Fix-a-Flat for my lawn tractor I bought a package of caramel dipped shortbread cookies and ate the entire package on the drive home. So maybe I'm not the best one to support and validate your Pepperidge Farm indulgence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballcorner Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 I am not a blues player, but the people I know who play blues extensively are playing mahogany or rosewood guitars - with mahogany being the most common. I seldom gravitate toward anything other than rosewood. What I have found in my experience is that different touch and pick gauges can make rosewood do almost anything and I really like the richness of that sound, so I am going to side with everyone else where you are choosing between rosewood and maple and suggest you get the maple. Still, I would try a few mahogany guitars before you lay down any cash. Good luck with your selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjg Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I am not a blues player' date=' but the people I know who play blues extensively are playing mahogany or rosewood guitars - with mahogany being the most common. I seldom gravitate toward anything other than rosewood. What I have found in my experience is that different touch and pick gauges can make rosewood do almost anything and I really like the richness of that sound, so I am going to side with everyone else where you are choosing between rosewood and maple and suggest you get the maple. Still, I would try a few mahogany guitars before you lay down any cash. Good luck with your selection. [/quote'] I agree, check out some mahogany. The Larrivee L-05 is a great fingerstyle guitar, built very well and an awesome price point. Larrivee's mahogany is ourstanding. Just another option... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodehopper Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I agree with those who suggest repairing this guitar you love. It can be difficult to find "THE" guitar so get the brace repaired and suggest to the seller that he pay for the repair I mean if the seller takes it back his only real option is to repair it and sell it at a significantly reduced price (if he can sell it in a reasonable time frame) This would sound like a win/win for you and the seller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefleppard Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 i just got the call that the cj-165 maple i ordered was in. i played it and was dissappointed. it is not at all like the RW model i played earlier. very small, parlour sounding. not alot of overtone or that glassy j-200 shimmer. there was nothing i liked about it. not my style. i didn't buy it and i now have a $2300cdn store credit. now i've got my eye on a northern jumbo. limited edtion, 65 made and signed by ren ferguson. it has a maple leaf embossed on the back of the headstock.(cheesy, true, but i'd suffer for canadiana in this case) $2800cdn. very loud, too. if the price comes down i'll take a dive. i hope this helps you with your q's about the cj 165m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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