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Up for review is the proposed purchase of a underused corrections facility in Northern Illinois:

http://www.wrex.com/Global/story.asp?S=11510435

 

It is my understanding that the US government is considering a number of facilities to purchase for the warehousing of Guantanmo detainees.

 

Asside from the terrorist threat issues, which may or may not be justified, what else can go wrong.

 

If we bring these enemy combatants onto US soil, will they be given rights of a detained US citizen, i.e. will this clog an already overloaded judicial system?

 

I'm curious if some U.S. Legal Eagles understand the down side of this venture.

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It's beyond my feeble understanding. But, for some reason I'm reminded of a quote, I think from Thomas Jefferson.

 

Although the context is different (he was refering to the institution of slavery)

 

"It's like holding a wolf by the ears. You don't like it, but you don't dare let it go."

 

What do we do with these people now that we have them?

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What do we do with these people now that we have them?

 

Make them stand trial for the charges against them. Not sure why everyone is in a panic over this. Isn't that one of our core principles as a modern nation, built on the foundations of equality: everyone has a right to a fair trial, to answer the charges against them? Do you lack such little faith in our system?

 

In regards to safely, I would be more afraid of a guy who has spent half his life in prison for rape and multiple murders than some scrawny religious fanatic from Central Asia.

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My intent is neither polytical, nor religious. I'm curious about the legal ramifications of a current event, one which affects me personally. If anyone wishes to post here, please don't take the low road on this thread.

 

As enemy combatants, they do not, should not, be accorded the same status as a common criminal. If so, they could be tried for murder. Normally, enemy combatants are warehoused to take them out of the hostile actions in order to deny their superiors the man power. At cessation of hostilities they are normally returned unmolested to their homeland. However, the current combatants have a history of trying to assist their comrades from behind bars. Giving them status of a common criminal in the US corrections system might give them more access to their comrades. That is my concern.

 

In past wars, captured enemy combatants have been detained as POWs on our soil. Near as I can figure they had no rights other than that granted by the Geneva Convention. There are those here that say otherwise. I think those who say otherwise are misinformed.

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18. No Racial' date=' Religious, or Political post will be allowed on the forums.[/color']

 

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My intent is neither polytical' date=' nor religious. I'm curious about the legal ramifications of a current event, one which affects me personally. If anyone wishes to post here, please don't take the low road on this thread.[/quote']

 

 

Wonder who will win...?

 

Might not be the intent, but they've been pretty cautious about locking things that have that potential...

 

For the record, the way to fight this is via your local politicians and congressmen. Raise enough stink... draw enough negative attention, and they'll come out on your side to avoid the negative backlash.

 

I understand your concern and wish you the best.

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I wonder if people who are enemies of the USA have legal rights?

the obviously have a right to food/shelter/bathroom' date=' but who says they have a right to a trial?

 

just food for thought.......[/quote']

 

this.

 

people who are not US citizens do not have any rights under the Constitution. as enemy combatants, they should be tried by military tribunals. period.

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Make them stand trial for the charges against them. Not sure why everyone is in a panic over this. Isn't that one of our core principles as a modern nation' date=' built on the foundations of equality: everyone has a right to a fair trial, to answer the charges against them? Do you lack such little faith in our system?

 

In regards to safely, I would be more afraid of a guy who has spent half his life in prison for rape and multiple murders than some scrawny religious fanatic from Central Asia.[/quote']

Here's the deal...... That sometimes in spite of overwhelming evidence some goof-ball jury will acquit someone who is as guilty as sin.... i.e. ( O.J. Simpson )

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this.

 

people who are not US citizens do not have any rights under the Constitution. as enemy combatants' date=' they should be tried by military tribunals. period.[/quote']

 

True.

 

and if OJ Simpson could get out of killing his wife then one of these men being tried on our soil could possibly go free. Enough money and the right attorney and anythings possible. Think about that.

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True.

 

and if OJ Simpson could get out of killing his wife then one of these men being tried on our soil could possibly go free. Enough money and the right attorney and anythings possible. Think about that.

 

 

So what do you propose? We cannot hold these people indefinitely in a state of limbo. Charge them, convict them, and punish them or let them go.

 

The OJ analogy does hold water with me. You had three issues there

 

1. Racist Mark Fuhrman shooting himself in the foot

2. Bumbling prosecution that could not drive home a softball case

3. OJ hiring one of the smoothest talking attorneys in L.A.

 

None of these prisoners are going to get anything close to this.

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So what do you propose? We cannot hold these people indefinitely in a state of limbo. Charge them' date=' convict them, and punish them or let them go.

 

The OJ analogy does hold water with me. You had three issues there

 

1. Racist Mark Fuhrman shooting himself in the foot

2. Bumbling prosecution that could not drive home a softball case

3. OJ hiring one of the smoothest talking attorneys in L.A.

 

None of these prisoners are going to get anything close to this.[/quote']

 

You sound pretty sure. Follow the money.

 

In an act of war they should be tried by the military not as normal U.S. Citizens.

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You sound pretty sure. Follow the money.

 

In an act of war they should be tried by the military not as normal U.S. Citizens.

 

True, and is not Jihad, itself described and defined as " Holy War " . So, they should be tried as war criminals for purposely targeting civilians and summarily shot, better yet soak them in the blood of a swine then shoot them.

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You sound pretty sure. Follow the money.

 

In an act of war they should be tried by the military not as normal U.S. Citizens.

 

 

What money? Bin Laden is going to wire them $$$ so they can hire the best trial lawyer in America? And if they should be tried in a military court DO IT. Get on with it. Again I ask, are we going to hold these people indefinitely?

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