Papa Lazarou Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Hey folks, just hoping someone here can help me. I'm 99% sure these are fakes, but jsut in case they're not I'd like to get some opinions here. I'm being offered them relatively cheap, but not cheap enough that I would instantly discount them as fakes, however the innacuracies of the burst, the headstock inlay and the trussrod cover are pretty iffy, which makes me think they're fake. Any input? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pequod Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Difficult to see without close ups but it looks like they have three screw truss rod covers which woulld make them 100% fake. Plus the burst is all over the place. They don't look at all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cudamax2343 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Ya they are fakes but at I think they were 250.00-300.00 plus another 200.00to 300.00 forget it. They look pretty kool, real nice job for all the folks oversea's who can't come up with there own ****. They do offer everything in the gibson and fender line-up and I think on all of those they copied every detail on the back of the headstock like the made in usa stamp right down to the exact letter size and style but most if not all serial numbers start with a "U" and I think they are 1 number too long. In my opinion F--- THEM THOSE AS----, FOR A COUPLE HUNDRED MORE ANYONE CAN GET THE REAL THING OR HECK GET A USED ONE FOR THAT PRICE.It's just like would you rather stay home and pout and beat-off, or just go out and find somebody and get layed. Noth-in sounds as good or feels as good as the real thing, and any-ways what was your name, oh, papa who the hell do you think your kid-in you have a lot of nerve coming to a USA gibson site try-in to sell some half *** gibson copies, don't you know it's against the law here. Were not stupid here mr. papa, we know bullshit when we see it. Move along, push that **** some where else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Martin Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 If you look real closely, the first one has a three-screw truss-rod cover. Besides that, the burst looks like **** and the first one has gold hardware (wtf?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazarou Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Ya they are fakes but at I think they were 250.00-300.00 plus another 200.00to 300.00 forget it. They look pretty kool' date=' real nice job for all the folks oversea's who can't come up with there own ****. They do offer everything in the gibson and fender line-up and I think on all of those they copied every detail on the back of the headstock like the made in usa stamp right down to the exact letter size and style but most if not all serial numbers start with a "U" and I think they are 1 number too long. In my opinion **** THEM THOSE ASSHOLES, FOR A COUPLE HUNDRED MORE ANYONE CAN GET THE REAL THING OR HECK GET A USED ONE FOR THAT PRICE.It's just like would you rather stay home and pout and beat-off, or just go out and find somebody and get layed. Noth-in sounds as good or feels as good as the real thing, and any-ways what was your name, oh, papa who the hell do you think your kid-in you have a lot of nerve coming to a USA gibson site try-in to sell some half *** gibson copies, don't you know it's against the law here. Were not stupid here mr. papa, we know bullshit when we see it. Move along, push that **** some where else[/quote'] Alrighty, I'm guessing you're kinda stupid, so I'll put this in language you'll understand. Me thinky these be fakey string stick. Person try sell me fakey string-stick. Me no want fakey. Me ask other string stick players if they think fakey too. We agree, is fakey. Me no buy fakey from person. Cuadamax no understand that me not selling fakey, was thinking of buying fakey. That work-in for you, or do I need to add more hyphens where they're not required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pequod Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Nice one Papa!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Martin Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Chill out guys, I'm sure it was an honest mistake. We're all here to share a mutual love...of the greatest guitars in the world. Let's show some of it. *cranks Marshall and starts doing chromatic tapping runs over 'kumbaya' playing in the background* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This one goes to 11 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Alrighty' date=' I'm guessing you're kinda stupid, so I'll put this in language you'll understand.Me thinky these be fakey string stick. Person try sell me fakey string-stick. Me no want fakey. Me ask other string stick players if they think fakey too. We agree, is fakey. Me no buy fakey from person. Cuadamax no understand that me not selling fakey, was thinking of buying fakey. That [i']work-in[/i] for you, or do I need to add more hyphens where they're not required? Ooh Papa that's cold! I agree with the others - if it looks like it & smells like it, it probably is. If you were into some kinda novelty laugh for your wall, fine, but I wouldn't spend the cash if I was you. You tend to see them in ads like this in ebay: "Thank you for visit our esteemed store. We offer Genuine Gibson Custom guitar of highly quality......etc.etc.etc." Usually there's no reserve, a 2 buck starting bid, and a buy it now of 250. A friend of mine decided to bid on a PRS fake out of sheer fun & curiosity, and it turned out to be a way to try (didn't work on him) and get the money for no guitar in return. Rather keep hunting. So how is the League of Gentlemen these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This one goes to 11 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Hey 'Cuda, I stand to be corrected but if I'm right, you'll find out who Papa Lazarou is if you watch the League of Gentlemen ( very surreal British comedy). Am I right Papa? Is that where it comes from, Dave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 The burst on the second pic is so lame... and gold hardware? wtf!!!!!???? I'm gonna be with cudamax2343 here... i always find is suspicious when a new member / 1st time posting has this kind of stuff to show... I feel the same way when someone post his first thread consisting on "can anyone help me with this serial?" c'mon guys... you know the odds of him just asking to see if the number will work for new fakes. They are catching up... some already have 2screwTRCs and correct pickup rings and bridge... so why not ask around in the gibson forums about SNs? and why not post some pics of fakes to see if they could pass as real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Were not stupid here mr. papa' date=' we know bullshit when we see it. Move along, push that **** some where else[/quote'] what he said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazarou Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Hey 'Cuda' date=' I stand to be corrected but if I'm right, you'll find out who Papa Lazarou is if you watch the League of Gentlemen ( very surreal British comedy). Am I right Papa? Is that where it comes from, Dave? [/quote'] 11, you're my wife now. I find it inherently difficult choosing a screen-name. Dr. Gonzo is invariably taken, few people know who Sal Paradise is, and calling myself Euchrid Eucrow raises all sorts of redneck-related questions, none of which I'm equipped to answer. The guitars in question were actually offered to me by a friend who works for a boutique amp company here in Melbourne. Apparently they're moving factories and are moving in next to a guy who deals in "Unique and Custom Guitars". Apparently their uniqueness lies in that that they're miraculously capable of being churned out of a factory in China at a rate of 90 a month. The guy was asking $1,870 for it, which is cheap, but not so ridiculous that it instantly raised a flag. The photos above are the ones the seller (a frenchman, I'm told) emailed my friend upon request. From the look of them my suspicion lightbulb starting blinking so I came here. As for Thunder, have I asked for a serial yet? Kindly reserve judgement until I actually act like a tool, thanks. (moderately intentional pun given we're discussing silverbursts) Even if I did, it's a relatively simple solution of, oh I don't know, not giving me one? Anyway, to those that confirmed my suspicions, cheers. I just wanted a second opinion and I've got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This one goes to 11 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Chill out guys' date=' I'm sure it was an honest mistake.We're all here to share a mutual love...of the greatest guitars in the world. Let's show some of it.[/quote'] I'm gonna be with cudamax2343 here... i always find is suspicious when a new member / 1st time posting has this kind of stuff to show... How about a balance between the two perspectives? You've both got very valid arguments, so how about giving the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This one goes to 11 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 A-HA! Yep, sounds like someone's getting clever enough to realise we don't fall for bargain basement prices. I didn't realise the English and the French had started to trust each other again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This one goes to 11 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 The guitars in question were actually offered to me by a friend who works for a boutique amp company here in Melbourne. Apparently they're moving factories and are moving in next to a guy who deals in "Unique and Custom Guitars". Is it a local shop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Martin Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 How about a balance between the two perspectives? You've both got very valid arguments' date=' so how about giving the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise? [/quote'] No. My perspective is always right. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazarou Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Is it a local shop? It is. For local people. They even sell cans of can't. I think they have twelvety left. Just don't cause trouble, they'll have none there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibis Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 We were asked for an opinion about the guitars. They're obviously fakes. What more needs to be said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 As for Thunder' date=' have I asked for a serial yet? Kindly reserve judgement until I actually act like a tool, thanks. (moderately intentional pun given we're discussing silverbursts) Even if I did, it's a relatively simple solution of, oh I don't know, [i']not[/i] giving me one? Anyway, to those that confirmed my suspicions, cheers. I just wanted a second opinion and I've got it. I wasnt reffering to you asking for serials... just pointed there are lots of folks asking this kind of stuff on their first post nowadays... maybe if they started by introducing themselves, and then posted something else and checked some other posts where we have posted how to check a SN and tips for spotting fakes... but signing up and immediately asking "is this guitar fake?" is always suspicious to me. So, it should be clear i wasnt reffering to you in the second part of my post... Anyway its a shame this china pauls are out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanMan Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 All you folks bustin' on the china-man's Les Pauls.... goodness. I mean... when they get done playin, those rowdy rock and roll bands aren't smashing REAL guitars... Are they? Tell me they're not smashing REAL Les Pauls.... ... o God... I think I am gonna be sick..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson CS Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Not to get too far off topic... Does anyone remember the Plasmatics?...Wendy O Williams? On stage they used to cut a ( fake ) Les Paul in half with a chainsaw. At one concert the signals got crossed and the roadies set up a REAL Les Paul to be cut up... I remember the guitar player was crushed when he found out what had been sacrificed. The roadie? I dont think hes been heard from since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaresz Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I disagree! By examing those photos closely I believe them both to be real. The color and shape seem proper, as do the pots. Though the soil does appear to be rather dry. On the other hand, the guitars without are doubt fake........................... Though I am somewhat confused as to why people are getting upset, isn't this just another good faith inquiry? Sorry Papa it seems some of us are not being the best of hosts today. It isn't always like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Hey folks' date=' just hoping someone here can help me. I'm 99% sure these are fakes, but jsut in case they're not I'd like to get some opinions here. I'm being offered them relatively cheap, but not cheap enough that I would instantly discount them as fakes, however the innacuracies of the burst, the headstock inlay and the trussrod cover are pretty iffy, which makes me think they're fake. Any input?[/quote'] Yes, I have some real solid advice for you: When in any doubt whatsoever - walk away. Go to an authorized dealer, pay a fair price and enjoy the comfort in knowing you bought the real deal and have the dealer and Gibson behind your purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanMan Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I disagree! By examing those photos closely I believe them both to be real. The color and shape seem proper' date=' as do the pots. Though the soil does appear to be rather dry. On the other hand, the guitars without are doubt fake...........................[/quote'] ROFL!! Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cudamax2343 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 O. K, PAPA. WHY DON'T YOU BUY ONE OF THESE. YOU LIST-EM HERE AT YOUR SITE http://DHgate.com just punch in "GIBSON" and look at the hundred's of USA GIBSON CRAP COPIES. Some just like this. or hey, the 2008 model's are here. ya-know when asshole's like your self vist USA gibson sites and ask is this a fake, you get tips on how to make your forgery more authentic looking, right papa, the first thing everyone see's is the 3 screw truss rod cover, hey easy fix, right papa. then of course you can always tell your slaves at the plant to reshoot the silverburst another way just like gibson usa models, right papa. Why don't you just make your own ****. I'll tell-ya why, because here all american's associate MADE IN CHINA as crap/no good/sub par bullshit made in slave camps. The only thing to do is attach your self to AMERICA'S BEST MADE GUITAR LIKE A LEECH AND TRY AND PASS THEM OFF AS AN ORIGINAL, RIGHT MR PAPA. P.S ANY PLANS IN THE WORKS OR IN THE FUTURE TO MAYBE NOT USE THE WRONG TUNE-O-MATIC OR IS IT WAY TO EXPENSIVE FOR-YA. ASSHOLE. Sorry all my photo can't be posted here, for some reason just click on the http://DHgate.com and put in gibson. You will see what I'am talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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