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LMAO... yeah, guess you are right DAS44. They are so blatant though.

I went fishing - registered and sent a seller a question - is it real or a copy. Can't wait to get the answer, if I get one at all. I know Gibson has to know about them. I browsed and saw S. Vai models, all sorts of models. It appears that they stole Ebay's format or is it a Ebay fake? LOL.

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Daughter #2 goes to a Baptist college - they're hating on fortune cookies (without knowing that they're from San Francisco...)

 

Go figure.

 

I still would kinda like to see one of those "horrible" fakes up close. I'd be willing to bet that they're not that bad for what they are - if you can get away from the whole "fake" "copyright infringement" "I paid $5,000 for REAL one" sort of thing.

 

Just sayin'.

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Looking at the pics - I wonder if they are real or copyright infringement as well. You would have to hold one in your hands for sure. When I get a reply from the seller, I am going to respond with the typical questions - weight, more (specific) pics etc. and see what happens.

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The intention of the post was not to advertise them but bring attention to them and the disgusting practice. Hope I didn't break a forum rule, need to check. What led me to the website was Gibson's How to spot a fake. A comment had the website and I didn't recognize it. Hence the *pukes comment. Good Point Are Nine. It gave me a chance to clarify. We get a lot of guests in these forums. I came here to learn from you guys and enjoyed the camaraderie so much, I stuck around. Still learning. Still looking for my LP.

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The intention of the post was not to advertise them but bring attention to them and the disgusting practice. Hope I didn't break a forum rule' date=' need to check. What led me to the website was Gibson's How to spot a fake. A comment had the website and I didn't recognize it. Hence the *pukes comment. Good Point Are Nine. It gave me a chance to clarify. We get a lot of guests in these forums. I came here to learn from you guys and enjoyed the camaraderie so much, I stuck around. Still learning. Still looking for my LP.

 

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What????? Those aren't real Gibson USA SGs for $300.00????

 

 

You TRICKED ME!!!! ARRRRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The question of how good these guitars are (and they aren't) and if they represent any kind of value for the doller is not the issue. It is what they ACTUALLY are and why they are made that is the problem.

 

They are NOT replicas or cheaper versions meant to give poeple value that can not afford a Gibson. They are made for the sole purpose of defrauding poeple. They do not just say GIBSON on the headstock, but they also have SOME details meant to fool poeple into thinking they are buying a Gibson. The company is set up that way too, to assist those and provide products to those that are in the business of defrauding others.

 

THESE ARE NOT INSTRUMENTS MADE TO PROVIDE VALUE to a buyer. They are made to allow the seller a way to fool poeple into buying these thinking they are getting a Gibson.

 

The mods will remove the link. While I don't think you mean harm, you should remove it yourself because a guy only needs to copy it and use it as a resource to rob others.

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The intention of the post was not to advertise them but bring attention to them and the disgusting practice. Hope I didn't break a forum rule, need to check. What led me to the website was Gibson's How to spot a fake. A comment had the website and I didn't recognize it. Hence the *pukes comment. Good Point Are Nine. It gave me a chance to clarify. We get a lot of guests in these forums. I came here to learn from you guys and enjoyed the camaraderie so much, I stuck around. Still learning. Still looking for my LP.

 

I've seen the links and ads (they even claim to come with all the case candy)! An LP Custom for like $300! Is it real or a copy is not even a legitimate question. We've got some good Eagle eyes here in Raleigh NC that keep our Craigslist musical instruments section pretty legit.

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The question of how good these guitars are (and they aren't) and if they represent any kind of value for the doller is not the issue. It is what they ACTUALLY are and why they are made that is the problem.

 

They are NOT replicas or cheaper versions meant to give poeple value that can not afford a Gibson. They are made for the sole purpose of defrauding poeple. They do not just say GIBSON on the headstock, but they also have SOME details meant to fool poeple into thinking they are buying a Gibson. The company is set up that way too, to assist those and provide products to those that are in the business of defrauding others.

 

THESE ARE NOT INSTRUMENTS MADE TO PROVIDE VALUE to a buyer. They are made to allow the seller a way to fool poeple into buying these thinking they are getting a Gibson.

 

The mods will remove the link. While I don't think you mean harm, you should remove it yourself because a guy only needs to copy it and use it as a resource to rob others.

 

Knockoffs are inherently made for the sole purpose of fooling and defrauding the buyer. Don't be so foolish. People who buy fake Rolexes, Louis Vuitton handbags, Chanel earrings, and Gibson Les Pauls ... I dunno, I'm gonna throw something crazy out here and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they generally know they're not getting the Real Deal Holyfield. Gibson really has some servile Internet White Knights.

 

I will argue that these knockoffs are bought and sold as a direct result of Gibson's inflated and exorbitant prices.

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Knockoffs are inherently made for the sole purpose of fooling and defrauding the buyer. Don't be so foolish. People who buy fake Rolexes, Louis Vuitton handbags, Chanel earrings, and Gibson Les Pauls ... I dunno, I'm gonna throw something crazy out here and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they generally know they're not getting the Real Deal Holyfield. Gibson really has some servile Internet White Knights.

 

I will argue that these knockoffs are bought and sold as a direct result of Gibson's inflated and exorbitant prices.

If that were true they wouldn't say gibson on the headstock! These are frauds and there are plenty of legitimate alternatives to buying a gibson should a person want to do that.

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If that were true they wouldn't say gibson on the headstock! These are frauds and there are plenty of legitimate alternatives to buying a gibson should a person want to do that.

 

Well if you put it like that, I'll say the guitars are good enough that for the price, it IS a legitimate alternative, and will become highly collectible. But that's not what I was trying to say.

 

You're missing my point: Knockoff Rolexes have the logo, knockoff Chanel earrings and sunglasses have the logo, knockoff LV luggage has the logo... women know they're knockoffs before they buy the goods, so who exactly is defrauded there?

 

A good friend of mine knew he was buying a Chinese knockoff of a Les Paul Standard. He loves it, he calls it his 'Res Pow.'. So he's defrauded by the evil Chinese? I played it and really liked it, too! Better tone than my LP and that guitar just about played itself it was so smooth.

 

You're tripping out over the Gibson logo but what about the logo on a $100 Rolex? You can't tell me that anybody looking to buy a $100 Rolex will have any honest expectations of buying the genuine article?

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It's illegal.

 

Period. THAT is the issue, regardless of what the product is.

 

 

It is also ultimately stupid to go out of one's way to do something illegal, when they could actually put out a good, legitimate product for a great price.

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Brundaddy:

 

Your example is way off. In the case of certain "brand name" designer items, in many cases what you are paying for IS the name, and the label commands a premium beyond the actual quality of the item.

 

Gibson's, regardless of opinion, are NOT inflated in price because they SAY Gibson, they actually have a cost in making them the way they do, regardless if one thinks the outcome is worth the extra labor.

 

And, there is nothing to indicate these copies are something that would have any collectable value. Copies, both as replica's with other brand names, and fraud-type copies have been made for decades, and if you use real info like an antique collector would use (or a guitar collector) you would find the fraudulent copies are next to worthless. Using a real model following actual existing copies in the real market would show these particular guitar as worth even less than they are asking.

 

In addition to that, to spite the pretty paint and nice looking GISBON badge, when you see the actual construction of these guitars, the wood used, and what is under the hood, they are of really cheap and inexpensive construction. When it comes to getting what you pay for, if you are not fooled into thinking it is an actual GIBSON, many are fooled into thinking they may be built better than they are. Someone judging solely on quality, regardless of the name would find these guitars not worth much either.

 

And, the point that the guitars are built with the purpose and certain details to defraud someone is something that really most don't like to see, and you can't get around that. You may know better that it isn't a GIBSON, but there is still bad karma having something MEANT and CAPABLE of separating another guy of his money.

 

And, if you think these are descent guitars that compare to your average 300$ guitar, you have already been separated from yours. Same goes for if you think they will ever have collectors value.

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