Bca143 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Click on the link. Is this really a B-25n 12 string, or is it an LG 12? I have almost the same guitar, but have always known it to be an LG 12. Mine doesn't have the LG-12 on the truss cover, and looks exactly like this one from the front. The back and sides on mine are dark/ almost black though. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350301963686&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryp58 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Click on the link. Is this really a B-25n 12 string' date=' or is it an LG 12? I have almost the same guitar, but have always known it to be an LG 12. Mine doesn't have the LG-12 on the truss cover, and looks exactly like this one from the front. The back and sides on mine are dark/ almost black though. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350301963686&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123[/quote'] Look at my recent post! (How about this 12 string) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 It's definitely not a '67 as advertised. In 1970 they went to a pin bridge and a 12 fret neck joint. The only way I would dare try and tell the difference between an LG-12 and a B25 is the back binding (or lack). I can't really see in the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevef Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 KSdad wasn't the B-25 12 usually setup like the B-45 12 with 14 frets to the body? I do see a difference from an LG-12, the bridge on the one in the ad doesn't appear to be adjustable.. Replaced? Maybe that's why "it looks so good with no signs of pulling"? Looks like my old LG-12 may have found another "cousin"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 It was until 1970. That's when they went to a 12 fret with big belly-down pin bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bca143 Posted January 13, 2010 Author Share Posted January 13, 2010 Interesting. I thought I had a '68 LG-12, but maybe I don't. Mine has pin bridge like the one in the ad too. KsDad: What is the story with the back binding? Which one has it, and which one doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bca143 Posted January 13, 2010 Author Share Posted January 13, 2010 Here's a decent picture of mine: http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg80/bca1228/Gibson.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 The B25 should have back binding, the LG series no back binding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bca143 Posted January 13, 2010 Author Share Posted January 13, 2010 Got it. Thanks Ksdaddy. I guess that would make sense. So that makes my guitar (no back binding, belly down pin bridge with adj. saddle, 12 frets) a 1970 or later LG-12. My serial # says '68, but I guess features trump serial numbers when it comes to dating Gibsons, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 The late 60s and early 70s serial numbers can be very misleading. Some groups of numbers were used in different years; there are some that were used in 1966 and 1969 for example, and most of the time you need to look at other attributes to determine which is right. If you'd like to post some photos I'm sure we can sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bca143 Posted January 13, 2010 Author Share Posted January 13, 2010 Its at the luthier now, and these are the best ones I have. Bridge may not be original, but not sure. Serial number is 894197. http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg80/bca1228/Gibson%2012%20String/Gibson4.jpg http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg80/bca1228/Gibson%2012%20String/Gibson3.jpg http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg80/bca1228/Gibson%2012%20String/Gibson2.jpg http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg80/bca1228/Gibson%2012%20String/Gibson1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Kinda looks like it had some bridge work done in that last photo, looking at the top angle from end view. Man, that deck looks good for an old 12 - appears to be pretty flat. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bca143 Posted January 13, 2010 Author Share Posted January 13, 2010 Yeah. It must have, but I have no idea when. I just picked it up a couple of months ago. Deck is not quite as flat as it looks in the pics, that's why its at the luthier now. Wasn't too bad, but I figured I'd get it worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryp58 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 It was until 1970. That's when they went to a 12 fret with big belly-down pin bridge. So what's in the video I posted? A B-25-N with electronics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Yeah, probably had a pickup added somewhere along the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bca143 Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share Posted January 15, 2010 Hey Ksdaddy: Did you check out those 4 pics? They are not the best, but would you care to venture a guess on make and model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I did click on them a couple days ago but I can't remember which car I brought to work this morning unless I look out in the parking lot. Photobucket is blocked here at work but I'll look tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bca143 Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share Posted January 15, 2010 Ok thanks. Really nice and interesting website you have by the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I did a little reading in the Fabulous book and I see no mention of the B25-12 going to a 12 fret neck at any time. I knew the B45-12 did in 1970 and assumed the B25 followed suit. The B25-12 petered out and only a few were shipped in the 70s. So I guessed wrong on that one. Bottom line there, if it's a 12 fret, it's an LG-12. Yours is definitely an LG-12. I get a tiny bit of conflicting info on the introduction year; one says 1969, another 1970. Ditto for the ending year; one says it was dropped in 1973, another says the last two were the only ones shipped in 1973. I didn't find any info as to any changes in the model within it's run, so that's no help. You never did post the serial number, what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bca143 Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share Posted January 17, 2010 894197 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 The 800000 series was also used from '73 to '75 in addition to the late 60s. It's possible yours is a '73. Does yours have a volute on the back of the neck and "Made in USA" under the serial number? If so, it's likely a '73. If not, it's possible it's a '69 or early '70 and one of the early LG-12s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bca143 Posted January 19, 2010 Author Share Posted January 19, 2010 Thanks again! It does not have the "Made in the USA". Don't remember a volute, but it's still at the luthier so I can't confirm. I think I'll call it a 69-70 LG-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Probably a safe call. Gibson numbers were screwy back then but it ummm..... ...ummm.... keeps our minds....ummm...... SHARP! yeah, that's it, keeps our pencils, I mean, MINDS sharp.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APe Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 I did a little reading in the Fabulous book and I see no mention of the B25-12 going to a 12 fret neck at any time. I knew the B45-12 did in 1970 and assumed the B25 followed suit. The B25-12 petered out and only a few were shipped in the 70s. So I guessed wrong on that one. Bottom line there' date=' if it's a 12 fret, it's an LG-12. Yours is definitely an LG-12. I get a tiny bit of conflicting info on the introduction year; one says 1969, another 1970. Ditto for the ending year; one says it was dropped in 1973, another says the last two were the only ones shipped in 1973. I didn't find any info as to any changes in the model within it's run, so that's no help. You never did post the serial number, what is it?[/quote'] If it is a 12 fret, it obviously can be a B25. Or is there something I am totally missing? See this B25-D12: http://cgi.ebay.ca/Vintage-1970s-GIBSON-B-25D-12-Acoustic-ExC-OCBC-NR_W0QQitemZ320494169610QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item4a9ef0ee0a By the way, the same (looks IDENTICAL to me) guitar seems now to be for sale in Belgium. http://muziek.2dekans.be/vintage-1970s-gibson-b-25-d12-acoustic-guitar Notice the new price.... Greets, Ape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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