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boy busted for bringing 2 inch lego toy gun to school

 

 

An irate Staten Island mom blasted a grade school principal Wednesday for treating her son like a pint-sized Plaxico Burress after he brought a 2-inch-long toy gun to school.

 

"This principal is a bully and a coward, and needs to be held accountable," said Laura Timoney, 44, after her teary fourth-grader was nearly suspended for playing with the tiny toy at lunch.

 

"The school should be embarrassed. This is a common-sense issue."

 

Patrick Timoney, 9, was terrified when he was yanked into the principal's office to discuss the teeny-weeny plastic "weapon."

 

"The gun was so little," the boy said. "I don't understand why the principal got so upset. I was a little nervous. They made me sign a statement."

 

Patrick and a friend were playing with Lego figures in the school cafeteria on Tuesday when he pulled out the faux machine gun and stuck it in the hands of his plastic police officer.

 

Boom! Trouble ensued, with Patrick's mom getting a phone call from Public School 52 Principal Evelyn Mastroianni saying her son had somehow gone from straight A's to the NRA.

 

"I was in disbelief," the still-fuming mother said. "Why didn't anyone step up with an ounce of common sense and put an end to the harassment of my child?"

 

Timoney said her boy loved the toy figure because her husband is a retired police officer.

 

The elder Patrick Timoney, a former 72nd Precinct cop, couldn't believe his son was nearly busted over something so obviously inauthentic.

 

"It's a 2-inch gun," he said. "She went overboard. She should have said, 'Put the toys away,' and that would have been the end of it."

 

After a meeting between the principal and the parents, the boy was spared any disciplinary action. City school officials said Patrick agreed to leave the "gun" at home.

 

"I'm never bringing a toy to school again," said Patrick, whose favorite subject is math.

 

Laura Timoney remained upset. Her son, a typically eager student, asked to stay home yesterday because he thought the principal was mad at him.

 

The mother said she expects an apology and may sue.

 

"The toy gun is not the issue," she said. "A lack of common sense is the issue."

 

Several parents at the school felt the principal overreacted, including Kim O'Rieley - whose son was playing with Patrick in the cafeteria.

 

Her boy's Lego man was toting a tiny ax, which the principal deemed less threatening.

 

"It's ridiculous," said O'Rieley, 36. "He felt so bad for his friend. They're taking things way too far ... No one is saying guns are okay.

 

"Come on, it's a Lego."

 

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I'll never forget when I was like a sophomore in HS, somebody suspicious was seen outside the high school looking into people's vehicles.

 

Remember this was A) the good old days and [confused] in in pheasant season in pheasant country.

 

The principal got on the PA and informed all the boys who may have had shotguns in their outfits to hunt on the way home from school to bring in their firearms to protect them from possible theft.

 

Can you imagine in today's world some 50-60 high school sophomores, juniors and seniors tromping into a school with shotguns and the principal being happy about it? <chortle>

 

That to me is how things should be, btw. Sports equipment was brought into the school to prevent theft.

 

Even 30 years ago urban high school art classes would not allow scissors to aid in making paper mache.

 

Also, I canceled a reenacting gig at a high school when a teacher told me my officer's saber was verboten. No saber, no officer in a lotta ways. I'll add that the thing is about as sharp as a crescent wrench - reenactors are very safety conscious - and a baseball bat is far more dangerous. Oh - and at Deadwood, I was told that as a reenactor in uniform of 1876-77, the revolver is fine, but for heaven's sake don't bring the saber because it'd scare people. <grin>

 

Whatta world.

 

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I had a bit part in a high school play in 1980.

With a couple friends, I cut the shot out of a few 12 gauge shotgun shells and test fired them through

paper at close range to see how much of an effect the primer and paper wad would have.

(I had to die in the comedy skit.)

 

We tested the shots ourselves, and used the gun to great effect in two runs of the play.

The only questions we were ever asked was who owned the shotgun, and where it was kept backstage.

The teachers didn't want it to be stolen or tampered with - trusting us entirely.

 

This is because in Kansas, in 1980, 15 year old boys knew what the hell they were doing with guns.

 

 

That principle in New York should be suspended.

If the school board tries to defend her stupidity, they should ALL be fired.

 

Those people are paid to think.

They are educators.

They are professionals.

 

There is no excuse for brain-dead "zero-tolerance" bullsh!t in our schools.

 

I could understand if the gun appeared real (would a cop be concerned?) and the child was sent home for the day.

 

 

BTW, my wife is a teacher in the 'hood of inner-city Phoenix.

I know a thing or two about kids and illegal gunplay.

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Also' date=' I canceled a reenacting gig at a high school when a teacher told me my officer's saber was verboten. No saber, no officer in a lotta ways. I'll add that the thing is about as sharp as a crescent wrench - reenactors are very safety conscious - and a baseball bat is far more dangerous....[/quote']

 

 

an officer without a sabre? can you imagine a mounted solider trying to aim a rifle and hold on to the reigns and lead a charge @ the same time?

 

 

 

 

 

 

We tested the shots ourselves' date=' and used the gun to great effect in two runs of the play.

The only questions we were ever asked was who owned the shotgun, and where it was kept backstage.

The teachers didn't want it to be stolen or tampered with - trusting us entirely.

 

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I remember in the 4th grade, I was in a school play, We had a background and some props, one of the props was one of thoose toy guns you get @ disney land, I dont know if we are living in the post columbine world bringing a "toy gun" (more like a large toothpick, its 2 inches long!) to school, or if this is the modern "anti gun" world saying that guns are pure evil and need to be outed right now........

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"The gun was so little," the boy said.

"I don't understand why the principal got so upset. I was a little nervous. They made me sign a statement."

 

A 9 year old signing a statement?

What sort of binding legal agreement does a child sign?

 

That alone should get the entire faculty removed from that office.

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When your parents sign you up for school the school bascialy owns you.

They can take your cell phone and look at your texts and you cant do anything.

 

Word.

 

Sad' date=' but its true. They, for any reason, can look at your texts and can knowingly lie, and misrepresent facts to you, to get you into trouble.

 

It's ridcalous, but that's the world we live in. *sigh*

 

Very sad, and disappointing to have small children get in trouble for toy guns, and for the school system to be the way it is [bored

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When your parents sign you up for school the school bascialy owns you.

They can take your cell phone and look at your texts and you cant do anything.

 

WRONG.

Parents allow that sh!t to happen.

 

As far as a cell phone goes, you shouldn't have it turned on in school anyway.

That's a poor example to use - considering the number of rules in place governing their use.

 

Don't want your cell phone tampered with?

Turn the ringer off and leave it in your locker or bag until you're outside the school grounds.

Can't complain about "rights" when you're breaking all the rules to exercise them.

You have absolutely no right to the use of a cell phone or any electronic device during school - seriously.

Schools that allow it at all are simply doing you a courtesy, and asking for trouble.

 

 

But a toothpick-sized piece of black plastic and a two inch toy policeman?

Teachers and principles get away with stuff like Jesse posted until somebody makes a stink.

They don't have a leg to stand on, but if nobody pushes back...

 

They work for US.

And WE have the power to fire them.

Funny how nobody seems to remember that little fact.

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When your parents sign you up for school the school bascialy owns you.

 

You are required to go to school' date=' try to make it work, or else you will end up with the druggies and teen moms @ in the school across the tracks#-o

 

 

They can take your cell phone and look at your texts and you cant do anything.

 

I wouldnt know, I dont own a cell phone, but you can call me @ home or send me an email!

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WRONG.

Parents allow that sh!t to happen.

 

As far as a cell phone goes' date=' you shouldn't have it turned on in school anyway.

That's a poor example to use - considering the number of rules in place governing their use.

 

Don't want your cell phone tampered with?

Turn the ringer off and leave it in your locker or bag until you're outside the school grounds.

Can't complain about "rights" when you're breaking all the rules to exercise them.

You have absolutely no right to the use of a cell phone or any electronic device during school - seriously.

Schools that allow it at all are simply doing you a courtesy, and asking for trouble.

 

 

But a toothpick-sized piece of black plastic and a two inch toy policeman?

Teachers and principles get away with stuff like Jesse posted until somebody makes a stink.

They don't have a leg to stand on, but if nobody pushes back...

 

They work for US.

And WE have the power to fire them.

Funny how nobody seems to remember that little fact.

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I dont use it in school.

But if they see it like in your school bag or something or the outline in ur pants they take it.

Even if its off.

No one really uses their lockers due to be late in class and me as well i cant use them either.

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You are required to go to school' date=' try to make it work, or else you will end up with the druggies and teen moms @ in the school across the tracks#-o

 

 

 

 

I wouldnt know, I dont own a cell phone, but you can call me @ home or send me an email!

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Why?

I know where you live! :-$

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The origional article is just plain stupid, I won't even go into it. But I use my phone at school all the time, I go to a very leneant school though with really cool nice teachers. I also listen to music all the time and I am constantly playing my guitar in class [bored]

I don't see what the problem with cell phones and electornics is, I get all As and Bs and I use them all the time. It all comes down to the people using them in the end.

Also it's illegal for a teacher to take your phone from you pocket or bag, at least here in WA.

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WRONG.

Parents allow that sh!t to happen.

 

As far as a cell phone goes' date=' you shouldn't have it turned on in school anyway.

That's a poor example to use - considering the number of rules in place governing their use.

 

Don't want your cell phone tampered with?

Turn the ringer off and leave it in your locker or bag until you're outside the school grounds.

Can't complain about "rights" when you're breaking all the rules to exercise them.

You have absolutely no right to the use of a cell phone or any electronic device during school - seriously.

Schools that allow it at all are simply doing you a courtesy, and asking for trouble.

 

 

But a toothpick-sized piece of black plastic and a two inch toy policeman?

Teachers and principles get away with stuff like Jesse posted until somebody makes a stink.

They don't have a leg to stand on, but if nobody pushes back...

 

They work for US.

And WE have the power to fire them.

Funny how nobody seems to remember that little fact.

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Those security bastards came yesterday and searched Form 4 and 5...I heard rumours they were using metal detectors....can you believe it? You'd think that at the best school in the Caribbean, or at least the one that gets the best results, they would give us a little leeway....

 

I had my acoustic with me, so if they had come to search us, I would have stuck it to the inner soundboard of my guitar....

 

Those security people though, they were new last term, and then when they first came they conducted random searches, especially if they were late...

 

A few people stood out, one boy and his mother, when she came to drop hiim, the guard told her to stop, and then when she didn't waved up his hand at her, both of them got out the car so fast, and started cursing the man right there in front of the school....

 

My parents don't like them or what they represent, so they ignore them as much as possible, especially if the traffic light at the bottom of our street for school, sasy go and they say stop...

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With reference to a mid 19th century officer's saber.

 

Note that the uniform regs call for wearing the saber on the left; the revolver - after such became common <grin> - was worn on the right side, but set up to be drawn by the left hand.

 

The use of the saber, even by 1860, had largely become relatively little-used. The U.S. unpleasantness of the early 1860s pretty well put the saber to ceremonial use. In fact, on the frontier even cav units were doing what they could to not have to carry the darned things since they're noisy and were rather useless otherwise.

 

Cav tactics even in the CW were rapidly changing that way and frankly, were more reminiscent of the way the Huns and similar cavalry used the bow and arrow or as "dragoons," what might be called "mounted infantry" where the horse was used to get to a battle site, then the troopers were deployed as infantry.

 

The "Gettysburg" movie, btw, rather well showed Gen. Armistead leading his men toward the Union lines with his hat held high on his saber so the men would know where the senior officer was and whether he was still functioning.

 

Yes, kids, I think that "hoplophobia," that is, the fear of weapons, is alive and well today in many segments of the population of the world.

 

Guitar relevance? There have been numerous periods of time in which musicians, even those who specialized in religious music, were politically incorrect. That has ranged from various religious movements in the major English-speaking world up into the 20th century if not the 21st.

 

E.g., the Robert Johnson "deal with the devil." Note also the fiddle has been seen similarly as an instrument of evil.

 

The Renaissance, btw, featured one of the more rapid increases in human learning, technology and changes in music into the sorts that we know all play and enjoy. It was very "urban" by most standards and yet virtually every male was armed as part of his clothing.

 

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Well the NYC school system outdid themselves.. They arrested, handcuffed and scooted a 12 year old girl off to jail for writing her name on a desk.

Neo.. due to some things that went on around our area (NJ) carrying of cellphones is allowed (ringers off) in our local high school. (some of it had to do with "notifications" around 9/11/2001 and a couple of "lockdowns" that occured in the years following).

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my college has an text emergency program also

 

 

the problem isnt cell phones in schools, but that the people in charge of that school lack the common sense to realize that a mini lego gun is not a real gun! I remember when I was younger, in summer we would get to bring water guns, nerf guns, we would play cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, all the stupid shooter games that 4th and 5th graders play, ahh the good ole days...........

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And in due time the results will be a generation of Americans who have to wait for someone to tell them whether something is good or bad, safe or dangerous, right or wrong, all based on political correctness and the New World Doctrine of Fairness. The rule book will make the US Tax codes seem simple and understated. We'll have mullahs in the streets and schools.

 

Or not. [biggrin]

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Dennis...

 

You wrote: "And in due time the results will be a generation of Americans who have to wait for someone to tell them whether something is good or bad, safe or dangerous, right or wrong, all based on political correctness and the New World Doctrine of Fairness."

 

In fact, it DOES have much to do with music, especial guitar and current "pop" music of various sorts.

 

We've already where you mention, not "in due time," but just in our adult lifetimes. I'm reminded of a news story some 15-18 years ago where a lady from Chicago was quoted in an Associated Press story as stating that there is a constitutional right not to be insulted. Say what? Show me.

 

This ain't a "U.S." phenomenon. Our fellows in Europe, Oz and elsewhere hear similar terms. Just listen as politicians and celebs of all political stripes get horrid criticism if they are perceived as being insulting to one group or another.

 

I've gotten into trouble at work by mentioning 1) Geographical place names, 2) documented historic incidents, the truth of which has been recognized even by those who dislike being reminded of it, 3) Various "popular" songs from the 1940s, 4) well... you get the idea.

 

Meanwhile, crudity seems increasingly accepted. Frankly I blame that on the so-called "Nixon Tapes," after which words that would never appear in print in a "family newspaper" would increasingly appear. Even our "popular" music has gotten increasingly crude. Hey, I know the words, and on occasion, use them. But not on a gig or in print.

 

This forum has more than a tinge of that odd standard, and yet "Mods," I do understand why.

 

It's an interesting cultural era. It seems from here that a cultural mandate to suppress "heresy" in today's world has nothing to do with theistic religion, but rather "politics" in a very general and supra-national way.

 

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