Thundergod Posted April 27, 2008 Author Share Posted April 27, 2008 i think we all should be grateful that a: we are proud gibson owners that dont look down to other brands regardless of them starting with an F or E... b: we have a very nice forum, with lots of friends to comment with about anything... i´ve been visiting other forums and man... you get some specimens that really have problems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
led floyd9 Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 i think we all should be grateful that a: we are proud gibson owners that dont look down to other brands regardless of them starting with an F or E... b: we have a very nice forum' date=' with lots of friends to comment with about anything... i´ve been visiting other forums and man... you get some specimens that really have problems...[/quote'] The only other very good forum (like this one) that I've found is the Everything SG forum. It's very nice, but somehow, I post here much more often...... probably because I can talk about more guitars than SG's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted April 27, 2008 Author Share Posted April 27, 2008 yes led floyd9 thats a very good forum, cool folks there... havent been there in a while tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson CS Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Gibson bashing at its best huh? lol They dont really have some of their facts straight over there. Beatles used Epi's when they were true Epi's. I was going to sign up and vent...nah! what you mean "when yhey were true Epi's"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted April 27, 2008 Author Share Posted April 27, 2008 i think he means when epis were epis instead of gibson licensed replicas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaresz Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 what you mean "when yhey were true Epi's"? They are trying to justify their point by quoting incorrect facts. Les Paul did indeed play Epiphones, but that was prior to his Gibson signature model. In fact his famous "log" was made from Gibson, and Epiphone parts. Epiphone had dire financial issues in the late fifties and approached Ted McCarty as a possible buyer, that is when Gibson took over the Epiphone line. As was stated the New York plant of Epiphone was closed down and the operation moved to a to Michigan next to the Gibson plant. Neither Gibson or Epiphone were licensed for sale in England in the early 1960's, along with Fender. Allof which were considered the "holy grail" of instruments. It was not until the Beatles became somewhat well known in England before they had the wealth to order these makes directly from the manufactuer. The first order being placed for 2 J160e's for Greorge, and John. By 1964 3 Casiono's had also been ordered for John, Paul, and George. George's was ordered with bigsby. Paul had also ordered the Texan for himself. Obviously, all of these models were made by Gibson with the Epiphone name, and has been stated previously where or the highest quality. It wasn't until the late 1960's that Epiphone prodution was shipped overseas due to declining sales. In addition to the Gibson models Les Paul, SG, and J160e Peace. I also own an Epiphone Casino, and McCartney Texan. I love them all, but I'm sorry the quality of the Epiphones do not meet the Gibson. Though I would say that to Gibson's credit Epiphone is an outstanding value for the money! I for one do not feel the need to put down other guitar owners preferance of guitar to make myself feel better about my musical decisions. Sorry, I'm a bit of a historian and prone to rambling at times .............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaresz Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Other brands that dont have cheep knock-offs of their main line-up This isn't completely true. Look at the Fender Telecaster and Stratocaster. Name me a more well known guitar made than those two? You can get the low line overseas Squire model, the slightly higher TexMex version, or the top of the line USAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 what you mean "when yhey were true Epi's"? In my view and many others, there is a tangible differential between contemporary Epiphones and pre-'70 Epiphones. But please don't misconstrue that as me saying that today's Epis are bad instruments, they are indeed not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Epiphone had dire financial issues in the late fifties and approached Paul McCarty Sorry' date=' I'm a bit of a historian and prone to rambling at times .............. [/quote'] You do mean Ted McCarty, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueTone911 Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 ditto what LPDEN and deepblue1963 have posted. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaresz Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 You do mean Ted McCarty' date=' right?[/quote'] Yes Ted, thanks for pointing out my error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Obviously' date=' all of these models were made by Gibson with the Epiphone name, and has been stated previously where or the highest quality. It wasn't until the late 1960's that Epiphone prodution was shipped overseas due to declining sales. [/quote'] I believe it was mid-March of 1970 that operations for Epi took effect in Japan if my memory serves... Then when it became less cost effective to keep Epi production soley in Japan, is when Epi's saw manufactuting stamps from of Czech Republic, Korea, Indonesia, and China. Today of course the instruments assembled overseas and reimported back in to the US do go through a Gibson QC process. But this underscores the fact that this is indeed not the Epiphone that once existed despite the fine models offered, and in alot of the line, historically correct featured models. It is truly a subsidiary-brand that is built for maximum cost effectiveness. And for the consumer of value, that is not a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 ditto what LPDEN and deepblue1963 have posted. Don Thanks, Don. That's much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Just some examples of some of the Epiphones I had in mind when making some of the above comments: 1969 Epiphone Crestwood Deluxe: Recently sold for $6,200: 1965 Epiphone Casino: Sold for $3,560 (For beatles fans, how cool is it that this is one Lennon could have selected). 1963 Epiphone SORRENTO E-452TD: Sold for $2,590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 BTW, .....for the EPI collectors out there, if you ever have the chance to add a '65 Casino or Crestwood Deluxe, I wouldn't think twice... These guitars aren't going anywhere but up and harder to find in nice condition. I wish I had either one in my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 I saw something a couple years ago that said Samick builds more guitars than ANYBODY. If you buy a cheap imported guitar with ANY name on the headstock, it may very well have been built under license by Samick, or in a plant that Samick is contracted with somewhere in the Pacific Rim. I fear that someday the word will finally get out, and the truth will be revealed once and for all.... Imagine what will happen to the value of my collection when everybody knows an Epiphone is JUST AS GOOD as a Gibson in every way despite the sh!t electronics, short-lived pickups and the very finest tonewoods that nobody can name. A Gibson may not be worth ten times the price in most cases, but there IS a difference. It's petty jealousy for the most part, plain envy, and a little pride. As far as the whole Gibson vs. Epiphone thing, let 'em say whatever they want over there to prop up their fragile, little, itty-bitty ego. When they whip out an American-made Epi, THEN they will have my attention.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schizophrenica Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 I would never put down an Epi player either. Some people want a Gibson style guitar but simply cannot afford one. Believe me I understand. I feel very fortunate and blessed to be able to have the guitars that I do have. Some people cant justify paying Gibson prices when an Epi ( In their opinions ) are just as good a guitar. Whatever the reason' date=' enjoy what you have and be respectful of what others have.[/quote'] Exactly! I can't afford a real Gibson(yet) so I'm making do with an Epi. I can't say that its the best guitar in the world but I've always wanted and LP and didn't really care for the logo. And as much as I love playing my Epi I'd still rather gig with the American Strat my bandmate has. Maybe when I'm as...uhmm...'senior' as the majority of the people here I can finally get a Gibson. It doesn't help that I live in a country where the currency exchange is 3.5 times that of the US dollar. 1 ringgit is worth to me as much as a dollar is worth to you guys. So you can imagine how I feel when almost all Gibsons are more than RM10000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 Well Schizo, I can empathize. It took me alot of years to get the stuff I have despite living in the USA, a good job and decent income. I can only imagine how tough it is to get an American made guitar of ANY kind in Malaysia. My Dad worked over there for a couple years, I used to work for a company that had a facility in Singapore. Good luck to you. The best advice I can offer is NEVER get divorced! It set me back ten years and a half-million dollars.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverbursted Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 i think we all should be grateful that a: we are proud gibson owners that dont look down to other brands regardless of them starting with an F or E... b: we have a very nice forum' date=' with lots of friends to comment with about anything... i´ve been visiting other forums and man... you get some specimens that really have problems...[/quote'] You're right. I am a proud owner of a vintage Kramer Baretta as well, and love playing it (she's been posted numerous times), so I joined the vintage Kramer forum. The first thread I posted, introducing myself and my guitars, and was no kidding assailed for being associated with Gibson. That was the last time I went to that forum. I have never read any slamming of other legitimate brands, only Chinese knockoffs who portray themselves to be something they are not, and they deserve it. PS Hey Thundergod, whats the story with the PRS in your avitar? What a hunk of s... Just kidding, they are excellent guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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