Go Green!!! Yes, even you Fat Cats...

[NeoConMan]

From MSNBC;

 

 

 

Feds OK First U.S. Offshore Wind Farm

Opponents vow to sue to block Cape Cod project

 

 

Photo-illustration of the view from Cape Cod

 

 

Jay Lindsay - Associated Press, April 28, 2010

BOSTON - A whole new way of generating electricity in the U.S. drew a big step closer to

reality Wednesday, and it could look like this: 130 windmills, 440 feet tall, rising from the

ocean a few miles off Cape Cod.

 

After more than eight years of lawsuits and government reviews, the Obama administration

cleared the way for the nation's first offshore wind farm.

 

"We are beginning a new direction in our nation's energy future," U.S. Interior Secretary

Ken Salazar declared in announcing his approval of the $2 billion Cape Wind project,

which would finally allow the U.S. to join the list of major countries that are producing

electricity from sea breezes.

 

The project has faced intense opposition from environmentalists, an Indian tribe and some

residents, including the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, who warned that the windmills

could mar the ocean view. They would be visible from the Kennedy compound at Hyannis Port.

 

Salazar said the project's developers can protect local culture and beauty while expanding

the nation's supply of renewable energy.

 

The developers are hoping to begin construction this year and start generating power by

late 2012 — provided the venture isn't stopped by further lawsuits.

 

 

What's the matter?

They don't want "green energy" all of a sudden?

 

Not even in the best locations for the greatest generation capability?

[freak show]

What's the matter?

They don't want "green energy" all of a sudden?

 

You obviously have a lot to learn about the Democrat mentality.

 

Their guiding principle has always been:

 

"Don't do what I do. Do what I say."

[NeoConMan]

Yeah, I've been struggling to keep up since the "General Malaise" of the Carter years...

 

 

[cool]/

[freak show]

Well, I really hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the next phase is projectile vomiting.

 

Gotta bucket?

[Murph]

What a stupid idea to begin with. The salt water, and salt air will require more maintenance on the idiotic machines, and logistics suck, making this obviously an energy/dollar drain.

 

BEAM ME UP.......

 

:-

[Murph]

Here's the deal. There are hundreds of thousands of miles of unused land that is easy to get to and already wired to the grid IN BETWEEN THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS.

 

You want generator fans, stick em' in EVERYBODYS face.

 

Morons.....

[TommyK]

'Bout d#(* time.

 

First thing I agree with O on.

 

The BEST quality wind and the best place for these turbines are off both coasts.

 

Most of your 'Greenies' are on the coasts, but most of the 'Greenies' don't want to put up with the nuisance of generation. "Don't put up a dam, it'll disturb the spotted, snail darter titmouse." "Tear down that reactor, we don't want that atomic bomb in our back yard" "Don't put up those wind turbines, it will bespoil my view."

 

Illinois takes in hundreds of truck loads, daily, of East Coast garbage to stow in our landfills. Yes, hundreds, I've counted them. Then the East Coast sucks all the power from the Mid-West, because they don't want to 'look' at the power plants.

 

We've done our part, now it's the East coast's part, right off Hyannisport and Kennebunkport.

 

 

Actually, access to these off shore wind rigs are ecologically beneficial. On land based towers, access roads need to be built which takes out hundreds of acres of otherwise usable farm land. Once the off shore rigs are built, the ocean goes about it's business pretty much the way it has been. On land the access roads are permanently taken out of production. The towers don't have a very large footprint. The roads do.

[cwness]

The infrastructure is in such bad shape it should be worked on first but they

don't to add new lines. BECAUSE...... the towers are to ugly. We'll all be

sitting in the dark soon. There will be rock. The little Epi I have is battery

powered.

 

CW

[TommyK]

...We'll all be sitting in the dark soon. ...

CW

 

For some people, that is usually what it takes. Just look what happened to the "Land of Fruits and Nuts." when profit was legislated out of the power supply business; black outs and rolling brown-outs.

[Jeff-7]

I honestly wish even more energy would be consumed through the use of wind farms over other methods, hopefully this is a good step towards seeing it happen. Kansas has recently begun to use wind farms but the energy is being sold to other states.

[zigzag]

For some people' date=' that is usually what it takes. Just look what happened to the "Land of Fruits and Nuts." when profit was legislated out of the power supply business; black outs and rolling brown-outs.

[/quote']

 

So I take it that you were an ENRON investor.

 

Looks like we got all the conservatives together in one thread. Good job Neo. Kick a liberal when he's dead. I guess with a new Republican representative to replace Kennedy, Mass. get their windmills.

[NeoConMan]

Thanks Zig.

Wasn't a Conservative vs. Liberal thing.

It's a "Look how stupid and hypocritical they are" thing.

 

And it's not my story - IT'S THE TRUTH, and you can't handle it.

Not from me, not from a newspaper, not even from MSNBC - a rarity.

 

But if given the opportunity, I'll kick ANY Kennedy in the nuts or piss on his grave.

Same as many, many Republicans who are almost as guilty....

 

Another notable opponent of this windfarm made the news a few years ago here in AZ.

The Head Honcho of Phelps Dodge didn't want his "view" spoiled either.

Phelps Dodge is a worldwide mining corporation - NOBODY rapes the earth like open-pit or strip-miners.

 

Who here actually knows where their electricity comes from?

[zigzag]

I'm thinking mine comes from the nuclear power plant from right across the river, owned and run by Duke Power. Like Garret Morris said, "Ain't nuthin' wrong with nuclear power, honey!" I guess that's why the room always lights up when I walk in. (LOL)

 

BTW, I really don't have anything against nuclear power. I do have some concerns about spent fuel rods.

[zigzag]

Wasn't a Conservative vs. Liberal thing.

Right...

[NeoConMan]

Good thinking.

Might not be correct though.

 

 

Got that story from MSNBC.

They attack Liberals?

Do they EVER speak ill of Kennedy?

 

C'mon....

Remember your little "facts" pep talk....

[grampa]

Who here actually knows where their electricity comes from?

 

I think about the hydrogen fuel-cell folks. They say the only pollution is water vapor but never talk about where the huge amounts of electricity required to isolate and package this hydrogen and the pollution that it creates. They make it sound like we get something for nothing.

If we are going to complain in any way about the problems of creating the electricity we so badly want and "need", maybe we should think about using less.

[zigzag]

Remember your little "facts" pep talk....

 

I'm still waiting for your response to my latest post on the "I Like it" thread. I'm onto your BS, Neo.

[NeoConMan]

OH!

 

YOU GOT ME!!!

 

I'll offer you the same deal as every other internet forum wanker who saw it as his life's purpose to school me.

 

Interested?

[grampa]

OH!

 

YOU GOT ME!!!

 

I'll offer you the same deal as every other internet forum wanker who saw it as his life's purpose to school me.

 

Interested?

 

You seem to have this notion that if someone disagrees with you they are trying to "school you".

It's just you and them and you just disagree.

[TommyK]

...

Who here actually knows where their electricity comes from?

 

Out of the little holes in my walls. :)

 

Actually Byron Nuke plant but realistically it all goes into the same grid and we all tap off of it. So the itty-bitty electrons that jump out of those holes in the walls could come from just about any wheres.

[stevef]

A bit of 6th grade humor..

Ill wind farm developers not likely to get lift from state

By: Steve Daniels April 28, 2010

(Crain’s) — "An effort in Springfield to ensure Illinois wind power developers get a cut of the 20-year contracts the state is preparing to offer for electricity generated by wind farms is dead.

 

Talks between Exelon Corp., parent of Commonwealth Edison Co., and wind power developers ended last week without an agreement to lift Exelon’s opposition to setting aside a portion of the 20-year deals for in-state wind farms."

 

[NeoConMan]

TommyK wins!

 

Yeah, a very sharp engineer once told me how it works in a brief example.

 

Everybody producing electricity energizes the grid, electrons travel where directed.

Where it goes in or comes out matters none.

 

Kinda like pissing in the water at Malibu (I do it every chance I get) and pulling a bucket out of NY Harbor.

Same water?

 

No.

 

Does it matter?

 

No.

 

Does anybody seem to understand this?

 

No.

 

They don't want to use electricity made from coal, or nukes, or anything with GHG as a byproduct.

But they still go home and flip the light switch on when they walk through the door.

 

Most of the power generated at the nuke here actually leaves the state if you look at the numbers.

 

Powerplants in Arizona generate X amount of electricity.

Arizona consumers receive X amount of electricity delivered to their meters - always a much smaller amount.

 

Where's the rest going?

Out of state - mostly to California, where they don't want any power plants.

[TommyK]

What did I win NCM?

 

One analogy I heard is that when you deposit a dollar into the bank, the next week, withdraw a dollar, you most likely will not get that same dollar bill. It's anyone's guess where it came from, but who cares. It's still a dollar.

[Artie Owl]

Coal and Oil gives my girlfriend and I our electricity, the company that provides it is a privatized company that orders amounts based on market projections, and very, very occasionally we get a rebate because oil and coal prices go down from what it was expected.

 

As for this whole argument of "it'll marr the view" here's my two cents;

1.) People who own waterfront properties tend to be wealthier, and have more free time to influence politics as they see fit, if they're concerned about their view so badly they should be concerned about other environmental factors like rising ocean water levels, soil errosion, hurricanes etc.

2.) There has typically been so much resistance to "green" energies because for many years gas and oil companies held many ears in government (not just the US) and held as many pocketbooks backing campaigns/etc.

3.) The whole argument is moot in my opinion because the ugliest thing in any city are the powerlines anyway, which are a requirement of having electricity in the home to begin with.

 

On the other side of the argument I can think of a couple questions I'd ask developers and supporters about these turbines before installing them. As it's been said before, maitaining them may be an issue, but we can successfully operate oil rigs in the worst of deep sea climates, I don't think it's too strong a case. The cost of installing them vs the yield of electricity maybe, and the enviroment impact on natural costal habitats sure.

 

Oh well it doesn't matter, tomorrow we could discover real perpetual motion and completely rely on it to reduce emissions and provide global energy and SOME group of people somewhere would oppose it for ethic, religious, or business purposes.

 

Put the damn turbines up and deal with it, if they don't work then they can join the untold number of other failed energy projects sitting around out there.

[TommyK]

...

Put the damn turbines up and deal with it' date=' if they don't work then they can join the untold number of other failed energy projects sitting around out there. [/quote']

 

That is why you need to hold the energy companys' feet to the fire to puting real dollars away for the demolition of these towers once their technology has been supplanted.

 

Electric wires have always been strung on poles in front of my house since the first home owner decided to mondernize. How that electricity has been generated has changed multiple times over the decades; gasoline, hydro electric, coal, natural gas, nuclear and now wind... all over the span of less than 100 years!

 

Rest assured, these wind turbines will become obsolete, sooner than later. Whether your children and grandchildren will have to contend with them is up to your county zoning board.

 

A.) They must commit to setting aside money for the demolition from cradle to grave.

 

B.) It needs to be an the form of funds on deposit or a letter of credit, not a bond.

 

C.) An outside party must review the projected cost of demolition at regular intervals and the size of the money set aside must be adjusted accordingly.