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The new Les Paul Standard 2010 Fireball Finish!

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rcscruff

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It's the exact same as the DarkFire with a different finish and pearloid block inlays. Everything else is the same.

 

One oddity I noticed that maybe someone could explain is why do they use two chrome topped witch hats and one speed knob? Ignoring the rediculous robo knob, why didn't they make the other 3 the same?

 

It's not a standard so it shouldn't be called a standard, seeing that just makes me sad[crying] . And if I had one of these goofy things, I'd trade it for something else. Maybe an epiphone and a nice chomatic tuner.

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canon_mutant

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I would love an LP with a P90 neck and BB or better yet Classic Plus bridge. Color's not bad. But I don't want robotics or chambers. Piezo could be a nice addition.

 

Was there ever a solid body historic or otherwise that had a P90 neck HB bridge combo?

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canon_mutant

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That P90H sours it for me.

 

 

 

 

Take it you don't play blues or classic rock rhythm? P90s are sweet sounding.

 

I will likely own a P90 clad LP someday.

 

Check this out . . . just one taste of whole lotta of love.

 

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Was there ever a solid body historic or otherwise that had a P90 neck HB bridge combo?

 

No original instrument was supplied like that therefore there would be no original instrument to replicate as far as the Historic/Re-issue line goes.

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It's the exact same as the DarkFire with a different finish and pearloid block inlays. Everything else is the same.

 

One oddity I noticed that maybe someone could explain is why do they use two chrome topped witch hats and one speed knob? Ignoring the redi****us robo knob' date=' why didn't they make the other 3 the same?

 

It's not a standard so it shouldn't be called a standard, seeing that just makes me sad[crying'] . And if I had one of these goofy things, I'd trade it for something else. Maybe an epiphone and a nice chomatic tuner.

 

 

Another bashing without trying to inform before...

 

- The Dark Fire has a "worn" back and sides finish, the Standard 2010 has a nitro finished glossy back and sides

- The Dark Fire has an "asym" profile neck without binding and with a worn finish, the Standard 2010 has a slim taper '60 profile, binding and a glossy finish.

- The Dark Fire doesn't have the LP-Z balanced output.

- The Dark Fire has a second tone control

- The knobs on the Standard 2010 are Volume, Volume(the top hats), MASTER TONE(the different one) and the MCK. Doing these in this fashion make them immediately recognizeable.

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The knobs on the Standard 2010 are Volume' date=' Volume(the top hats), MASTER TONE(the different one) and the MCK. Doing these in this fashion make them immediately recognizeable.[/quote']

 

Well I'm not wanting to start a bunfight here but if you gave me, say, two minutes with four knobs I could probably work out which did which function for myself - even if I were blindfolded...

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ZenKen

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P90s are sweet sounding

 

You guys really slay me. Did you see see the pedal boards those 2 boys had? You weren't hearing a P90 or a Les Paul or Mahogany or a set neck. You were hearing electronics. The guy coulda been slinging a Silvertone. Oh yeah. Page used to do that. Danelectro. [cool]

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Another bashing without trying to inform before...

 

- The Dark Fire has a "worn" back and sides finish' date=' the Standard 2010 has a nitro finished glossy back and sides

- The Dark Fire has an "asym" profile neck without binding and with a worn finish, the Standard 2010 has a slim taper '60 profile, binding and a glossy finish.

- The Dark Fire doesn't have the LP-Z balanced output.

- The Dark Fire has a second tone control

- The knobs on the Standard 2010 are Volume, Volume(the top hats), MASTER TONE(the different one) and the MCK. Doing these in this fashion make them immediately recognizeable.[/quote']

 

Your first two points are about the finish, which I did say they were different. And YES I MISSED the difference of the LPZ output.

 

So let me start out by saying I'm a classic kind of Les Paul guy. I'm not into the robot tech stuff, I want a lester with two humbuckers plugged into an overdriven amp. That being said, I don't have a problem with Gibson making the Dark Fire (I actually LOVE the finish on it). And I'm not going to go trolling the darkfire boards and hound on people there and criticize their preference for that guitar. What does bother me is that they made it into the LP Standard. If you put all the specs side by side (again excluding finish details) of the 08 Standard and the Darkfire, would you call the Fireball the new 2010 Standard or the new 2010 Darkfire?

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NeoConMan

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Read the narrative on the Gibson website;

Les Paul, Gibson and the Les Paul guitar have always been about innovation.

Innovation?

Baloney.

Look what sells, consistently, year after year.

A Les Paul is a Les Paul is a Les Paul, and this new-fangled gee-whiz techno-crap isn't the primary market.

 

 

Now, Gibson is bringing the innovation of Robot Guitar tuning technology to the classic

Les Paul model with the release of the Les Paul Standard 2010 Limited.

Yippee...

 

 

With a legacy as one of the most versatile electric guitars available

A Les Paul? Versatile? Really?

That's the one gripe/compliment I've had for 25 years - a Les Paul is a Les Paul, and it's not versatile.

Compared to a Strat? Maybe a 335?

Hell, I'd say an SG is almost as "versatile" as a Les Paul.

 

 

Robot Guitar automated tuning capabilities - No thanks.

Two different but seminal magnetic pickups - If "different" is what you're after...

Piezo-loaded bridge - Who really needs this? Really?

Chameleon Tone Technology courtesy of its Master Control Knob (MCK) - I like the tone we used to get...

Les Paul Standard 2010 Limited packs a dizzying array of sonic capabilities - Dizzy, now there's a good word.

Hum-canceling P-90H - Hum-canceling = something other than a real P-90. No thanks.

BurstBucker 3 in the bridge - Shame to waste a good pickup like this.

Subtle acoustic response of its piezo bridges saddles - Yeah, Les Paul = subtle. WTF?

Any conceivable blend of the three, accessed instantly from the MCK - The sonic equivalent of road kill?

 

The Les Paul Standard 2010 Limited really does pack all the tonal colors of the rainbow.

And to keep it all sounding true, Gibson’s exclusive Robot Technology puts you perfectly

into tune in seconds at the push of a button, or shifts you into any of a countless number

of open and alternate tunings, all accessed at your command.

 

Hmmmm....

 

If I was shopping for a new Les Paul, what features would I prefer?

None of the above, that's for damned sure.

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... If I was shopping for a new Les Paul' date=' what features would I prefer?

None of the above, that's for damned sure.[/quote']

 

That's cool.

 

There are other customers in the market place, even though you've got a tough stance, and a strong opinion. [blink]

 

Things will change if the "Robot and Chameleon Technologies" stop selling. But currently there's a market for these technologies and Gibson is doing their best to exploit it.

 

Thankfully, Gibson hasn't abandoned the technologies of the 40s and 50s . . . . . . . . . Yet.

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You guys really slay me. Did you see see the pedal boards those 2 boys had? You weren't hearing a P90 or a Les Paul or Mahogany or a set neck. You were hearing electronics. The guy coulda been slinging a Silvertone. Oh yeah. Page used to do that. Danelectro. [blink]

 

Not worth starting a tiff over but the "start" of this song was really what I was referring to and that's pretty unadulterated P90 tone. It's unique. You either like it or you don't. But you can't get that out of an HB LP or a Fender though I've heard some "modded" Fenders get close perhaps.

 

And, frankly, there are many other P90 examples on youtube - perhaps better ones that this.

 

 

 

 

Just like the tune . . . and the slightly different rendition of a classic.

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My point wasn't that a P90 doesn't have it's own unique "flavor". I agree that wood, and construction and pickups are all different and that one can tune sound using these components. My point was that we now have electronics that allow the dialing in of any tone on any guitar. As I have said before "is it spot on?" Maybe not but certainly close enough that almost any of us would be unable to identify the source of the sound blindfolded. Just about every performer these days uses an array of pedals and even more effects behind the scene in their racks. I have minimal gear and can make the stock single poles in my strat growl like vintage PAF's. Just sayin..... [biggrin]

 

Maybe this would be an interesting discussion in it's own right. Maybe we should start a thread.

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unadulterated P90 tone. It's unique. You either like it or you don't.

But you can't get that out of an HB LP or a Fender

Agreed 100%.

P-90s are cool in any guitar' date=' got 'em in a Strat that I love and a Guild BluesBird.

Owned other guitars with P-90s, and each one had a very distinct voice.

 

P-90s + Les Paul = Heaven

 

 

Not [i']every[/i] performer these days uses tons of pedals or effects.

Those are the ones I'll spend my money and my time to watch.

Joe Perry is the latest example I saw of this.

 

I have a huge amount of respect for the guys who keep it simple and make it work - no question about it.

I'd much rather watch a band with minimal gear nail the tone - or damned close - than listen to

effects laden "perfection" from super fancy racks loaded with digital wizardry.

 

That, and it gives me an excuse to buy more guitars.....

 

[cool]/

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My point wasn't that a P90 doesn't have it's own unique "flavor". I agree that wood' date=' and construction and pickups are all different and that one can tune sound using these components.[b'] My point was that we now have electronics that allow the dialing in of any tone on any guitar. As I have said before "is it spot on?" Maybe not but certainly close enough that almost any of us would be unable to identify the source of the sound blindfolded.[/b] Just about every performer these days uses an array of pedals and even more effects behind the scene in their racks. I have minimal gear and can make the stock single poles in my strat growl like vintage PAF's. Just sayin..... [cool]

 

Maybe this would be an interesting discussion in it's own right. Maybe we should start a thread.

 

There has yet to be a Digital Model of an Amp or Guitar that doesn't sound like a video Game to me. Blindfolded or Across The Street, the lack of fluidity in Digital Overdrive comes through Loud and Clear to this set of ears. Nothing's more annoying than someone telling me it's all in my head, like our ears work the same but their head works better.

 

As for this new 2010 Standard, I don't like the glowing Knob, but the rest looks like a Les Paul I could really Wrap my Hand around. Love the colors, but not the burst pattern. I prefer the Tear Drop Burst to the Perimeter Pattern.

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NeoConMan

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Check this out . . .

Garth' date=' thanks for turning me on to Plant with Strange Sensation.

I never did check any of that stuff out when he did it - bad move on my part.

Lotsa P-90 work with that band.

 

[b']Tin Pan Alley[/b] is cool - check out the vintage synth with the patch cords and such.

 

[YOUTUBE]

[/YOUTUBE]

 

Sure, there's probably digital stuff galore in the signal path, but the source is cool.

Great guitars, analog goodness abounds.

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