Amino Moore Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 dear pissedoffepiphoneowner, The forum is always glad to have new members with insight and experience. However you might want to try a little gentler tone when addressing the forum members. "you people" sounds a little arrogant. Forum members are from many different backgrounds and levels of experience. We are members because we enjoy playing Epiphone guitars not because we are all experts. The forum gives us a place to share our love for Epi guitars and music in general. We also share technical information, including set up tips and tricks. If you are going to keep your "secrets" to yourself then don't treat the forum members as if they are stupid. Enlighten us, don't criticize. Over time you will find that there are many forum members who have similar experience and skills as you. No matter what one knows he can always learn from someone else if he is willing. So as grandma used to say "Y'all play nice and don't make me come over there" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 Gosh, there's so many differing "opinions" on "Set-ups" alone, that one can never be sure, which will give the result YOU want. So, most of the suggestions (on any topic) here, are meant (I believe) to be just that...suggestions. Hopefully, helpful...but not the be all, and end all! Not dyed in the wool, inflexible, "only this way," dogma. As was stated, we're all of varying backgrounds, and experience. We come to the forum, to share...not abuse. If we wanted that, we could just go to work, or "shopping!" LOL! Expertise, is great, but being respectful, with a bit lighter manner, will get you a lot more credibility, for one's expertise. Yes? Charlie B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pissedoffepiphoneowner Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 i figures i was being respectful... either way i have loooooooooooooooooooooooooooootttttttttssss of experience in these mattters neck relief is always needed due to the strings eliptical pattern, like i said, .004" at the 7th or 8th is what i prefer, which is about as flat as flat can be... remember, the lower the action, the less relief, and vice versa... if it work for you, it works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokestack Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Maybe worth adding that he who favours zero relief is quite likely to find his guitar "touchy" and hyper sensitive to climate related issues....not to mention the requirment for frets to be levelled to an accuracy which won't be maintained for more than a few months if the guitar sees any amount of use ! I don't have a problem with folks who prefer Zero relief ...but they shouldn't run around scaring people with nonsense. A les than perfect fret dressing will affect intonation accuracy much more than a few thou of relief ever will. Excessive relief [or other neck geometry issues] will affect intonation...along with many other aspects of playability and performance. But that's another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evol04gt Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 when i mentioned tuning in a multitude of fret and string pisitions, i was reffering to the actual TUNING not intonation set up.... when i do intonation, i do it at 0,12 and 6 frets.... i do each string individually, then over and over and over till its perfect.... when you mention .004, thats probably about what were are talking about when we say "FLAT NECk" i agree with you that no frets are perfect and you would have to dress each fret individually- and it still wont be correct.... i also agree that string attack will KILL every once of intonation accuracy--- i just assumed that most people knew that if you whack a string--- its gonna stretch.... (ei the typical fender 25.5 fret 2or 3rd buzz when you :whack" a low E chord. hell taking my guitars from my music room to my first floor or vise versal, effect my intonation so much it makes me sick (but thats becuase im a nazi and should really spend that time caring about learning new techniques and writing solos instead of just rythyms and riffs...) they string rotating orbitally will not effect intonation with zero relief vs relief becuase intonation is mathmatical distances and blah blah and relief effects those distances in a non compensation manor....., but it relief will reduce fret buzz... this is a dead horse at this point... at the end of the day, i preffer flatness for micro mathmatics and mostly its for even action.... my action makes some people sick that its so low with so little fret buzz.... when i walk into a music store, even a 5k PRS plays like GARBAGE IMO compared to my guitars just because of my set ups..... i dont whack my strings at all though... dont degrade others for what you think they dont know because they didnt take ten minutes explaiing their action and intonation prefferences.... everyone said the same thing pretty much.... i just think slagg and smokestack have a lot better delivery.... and the fact that you are a "pissed off epipohmne owner" is a little...well--- it has a certain latent connotation to how you already feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evol04gt Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 smoke-- you posted that last one as i was writing that post and when i was talking about releif, it wasnt towards you.. its funny that you and i parralled on the comments about us ZERO relief people and climate and fret dressing though! ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pissedoffepiphoneowner Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 i own like 10 epis... read my thread about when i opened up my new casino, and you'll find out why i'm 'pissedoffepiowner' that what i was saying, i basically play a flat neck too, when i do my stuff, but i understand you need that relief... and mine happens to be ultra slight. and a string rortating "orbitally?"(eliptically) would be killed if the relief isn't exactly suited for its action, cause yeah, it is mathematical distances... sit and remember your basic calculus for a moment.... but thats here nor there, since you can compensate... with them intonation screws.... i don't see why everyones on my case, we're all saying the same thing and I was told to **** off first... **** off because i know the physics of a guitar??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evol04gt Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 yeah i saw the post....id like to see pics of what you are talking about...im not a casino fan (only because it looks like a bolt on the way the neck is so far into the body--yes, i know thats cause its a true hollow body and its there for structual support) yeah the FU comment was a bit out of line... lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pissedoffepiphoneowner Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 oh don't worry, i can't wait to cook up some photos... I'm not much of a computer dude... so I gotta find a friend with one of them digital cameras shes definately not a bolt on... but your right that she sits deep into the pocket.... I have a 'dot' too, well, may as well call it an es-335 now after all the work i've done... but yeah, its got the solid block running through it, so the neck is a bit pushed out, easier access to the top frets.... haha yeah, imagine my surprise, after having a chat about some sciencey guitar noise, then i get a big FU for a reply! oh boy!! I'm sorry if i came off harsh or whatever, but us billies up here in canada have a tough skin or something... i figured i was being way to polite!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 Well, no big deal! The problem with forums, "chat," and e-mail, is that there's no audio, visual, references...so, what to you, might seem innocent, "respectful" etc., in your "normal" (whatever that means) style...way of speaking/doing things, can come off to others, unfamiliar with you and your ways, as being harsh, or "bullying," and such. We ALL have to be aware, at least, of our differences, as well as our similarities, and try not to get to "heavy/heady," you know? Anyway, that's just the way I look at it. As Dennis Miller is fond of saying: "I could be wrong." Charlie B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pissedoffepiphoneowner Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 chances are I'm typing as i pump my fist with extreme rock and roll... while listening to music, probably from your homestate there at some points, way too loud... so like, have you ever met davy crockett??? it was a terrible joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 No, not yet....nor my "Huckleberry," either! LOL! Charlie B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarreNone Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I had problems with my Elitist Les Paul until I rounded out the V notches in the bridge a bit. Eventually I swapped out the entire unit for an Allparts bridge with the vintage brass saddles but in the meantime a bit of filing fixed the tuning problem. I've taken to filing down the saddles on Epi style bridges so that they are almost flat' date=' with just a shallow dent to keep the string in place. Check out the bridge saddles on a Gibson and compare them to an Epi and you'll see what I'm getting at.[/quote'] Can you give details on how you this. What type of file, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 Crockett was from Tennessee, anyway... CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pissedoffepiphoneowner Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 oh shoot! I read your homestate as kentucky! oops!!! oh fudge, which one is the one davy crockett led them settlers into... over the mountains, kansas, or kentucky?? you tell me american... haha yea, he was a tennessee, but as i have read, he led people in kentucky? a few times... a few times turned back by indians... then he spent his days in montana was it??? you friggin guys have way too many states... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 Most of Davy Crockett's time, was spent in Tennessee, some in what is present day Alabama, and then...of course, Texas! Died at the Alamo, outside San Antonio. Check out "Wikipedia" for a short course. As to "too many States," here? Well, a lot of people might say we need even more, when it comes to the way some are run?! LOL! "Secession" talks abound, at times. Anyway...this has nothing to do with Epiphone, or SG's...LOL! Charlie B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Flick Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 oh shoot! I read your homestate as kentucky! oops!!! oh fudge' date=' which one is the one davy crockett led them settlers into... over the mountains, kansas, or kentucky?? you tell me american... haha yea, he was a tennessee, but as i have read, he led people in kentucky? a few times... a few times turned back by indians... then he spent his days in montana was it??? you friggin guys have way too many states...[/quote'] Daniel Boone led the early settlers into Kentucky. David Crockett was a Congressman from Tennessee who died at the Alamo. Davy Crockett was a character based on the the real life exploits of the real David Crockett. The Davy character appeared in serial magazines and plays, had exaggerated abilities, something like the James Bond of his time. The Disney Crockett of the '50s was more Davy than David, the John Wayne Crockett a little more accurate but still somewhat mythical. Billy Bob Thorton played Crockett as David trying to live up to the legend of Davy. Interesting, especially when the actor playing Davy acknowledges the Congressman in the audience. David is dressed in clothing one would expect of a Congressman while the actor playing Davy is dressed in buckskins. Very Freudian. "If it were just me, simple David from Tennessee, I might go over that wall one night and take my chances. But this Davy Crockett feller - people are watching him" BBT in the Alamo The confusion between Daniel Boone & Davy Crockett is due to the fact that they both look like Fess Parker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 We have it all, folks...guitars, and history lessons! Cool! I wonder if their "serfs," were wide and deep, or thin and narrow? Heh, heh... Charlie B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pissedoffepiphoneowner Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 so i was out helping a friend buy a car today when i remembered "I'm thinking of daniel boone..." hahaha you guys have way to many pioneerings heros... hahahaha i forgot davy crockett led armies in the texan revolution... i know a lot for a canuck eh - i said eh... well, i like talking about them old schoolers cause I double as a fiddle player. and my interests peak in buildign and repair, obviously... and all that oldschool crap facsinates me... i mean, the methods and quality to the building back in those days stands way above todays high production crap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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