kevin134 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I was looking around reading some stuff about the Jimmy Page Black Beauty Gibson just released. It comes with a 6way switch("The result is this stunning “Black Beauty” with a slim-profile neck, Page BurstBucker pickups, gold Bigsby vibrato and an innovative six-position toggle that lets you isolate the neck and bridge pickups, or add the middle in any combination")... well, since I dont have $6000 laying around but happen to have a epi black beauty, figure the cheap way to go is build my own.. So here lies the problem... Where can I get a 6 way toggle???? Looked at Stew Mac and only saw 3 way toggles.... Any help digging one up would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxst1281733995 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I read about that too... I think the toggle switch was custom made.. I left that issue of Guitar World at work, so I can't check for sure... In any regard, that's such a specialty item, I doubt you'll find one just anywhere.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carverman Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I've never heard of a "6 way toggle", so if it does exist on the Jimmy Page Black Beauty it is probably some kind of special switch. There are 3 way toggles and 5 way selector (lever) switches as on the Strat. You can get a 6 position 4 pole rotary switch could replace the toggle into the hole where the 3 way toggle fits, available from Guitarelectronics.com. this will handle any 2 to 3 pickup combination on a LP, but the toggle switch cavity will probably need to be routed out larger to accomodate the rotary switch. The two pickup version of the Jimmy Page uses 4 push-pull pots and a 3 way toggle. The push pulls are used for phasing and coil splitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Dobbs Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Ive got a tricked out TeleMonster with a custom 6 way switch. It changes the tones drasticly between settings. Its also got a reverse phase switch for double the fun. 6 way switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13yguitarman Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I would just get a chicken head switch like yhe ones on the sg 3 model and the blues hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxst1281733995 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Technically, the switch on Page's LP is a 5 position switch.. It's got North, South, East and West, and middle position for all 3 pups... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carverman Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Technically' date=' the switch on Page's LP is a 5 position switch.. It's got North, South, East and West, and middle position for all 3 pups...[/quote'] Makes sense, except for the actuation of the toggle...... Typically, a 2 P_up (or 3 p_up toggle switch with the extra leaf contact), has the pivot on one axis, so you have E (rythmn) mid (Both) and W (treble). The switch toggle cannot be moved in the N-S position. With this "innovative" trick "6 way toggle", it needs to move and stay locked in the N-S position as well. In essence this only provides 5 way, since the mid position configuration is already defined. To do a the E-mid-W and N-mid-S axis actuation, it would need a gimble similar to a quad pan-pot that can distribute the audio source 4 ways or any variation of the 4 ways. While this is possible with single wire switching, it becomes a nightmare of wires with 3 or 4 wires per p_up, if the coils need to be split as well or out of phase. The simplest way is for a circuit board that accomodates printed circuit mount pots and the necessary circuit board plugs for all the h/w components. I can see with these innovations that the newer guitars will transcend into consumer audio electronics manufacturing techniques. There will be just to many wires to keep track of when soldering manually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carverman Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Ive got a tricked out TeleMonster with a custom 6 way switch. It changes the tones drasticly between settings. Its also got a reverse phase switch for double the fun.6 way switch Your configuration(6 way 4 pole rotary switch) is the simplest way to go, but still involves considerable amount of wiring to the rotary switch. With 4 poles, you can switch up to 4 wires from each p_up and that allows for phase reversal on the coils, as well as coil splitting and the various p_up configurations Neck, Bridge, Bridge + Mid, and Mid + Neck. The only thing is, that in the Les Paul existing control cavity, there is no room for a rotary switch that large. You would have to use the toggle switch cavity and enlarge that, or rout a new cavity for the switch (next to the control cavity) because of the large number of wires involved. Estethically, the only place in this area that would look good with an extra knob is infront of the neck volume pot (next to the pickguard..if equipped with one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin134 Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 I'm quoting Gibson when calling it a 6 way toggle.Definitely gonna save the info you guys are providing though in case I cannot find one.. Also, not worried about the wiring as will be taking to a local Luthier to do the work, not sure I am ready to tackle something like that on my own...Thanks for all the replies and feel free to add anything else to this if it might help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin134 Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 I went to the Gibson Forum and PM'd the Custom Admin my question.... Unfortunately he replied back that they don't sell the switch, but he did give me the info about the different pu combo's, "combinations for the 6 way switch are: B, B+N, N, B+M, B+M+N, M+N." So it is a true 6 way switch and not a 5 way as mentioned above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen de Jager Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Check this page out... may be of some help http://www.guitarparts.co.nz/cart/Results.cfm?subcategory=108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmh Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 ik, this post is quite old, and i dont know if you found this, but here is where i found my 6-way http://www.stewmac.com/Shopping?actn=search&keyword=jimmy+page+switch&x=22&y=10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxHart85231281734137 Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 hollllly mother of swithces! that would help me so much with my Riviera P93! i must look into this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungrycat Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 OK, that's really freakin' cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantana Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 ...........suddenly I have massive GAS for a Black Beauty with THAT switch in :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carverman Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 So Stew-mac is now finally selling these 6 way toggles. This is about 2 years after the original post in March 2008. Interesting how they can pack so many combos into a small compact switch. It is essentially a "gear shifter". http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_pickups/Components:_Switches_and_knobs/Free-Way_Pickup_Switch.html?tab=Pictures#details But as they mention, it obviously requires the existing 3-way hole to be enlarged to acommodate it, which may not be a trivial operation. You would need a Dremel tool and a corresponding router or burr bit to open up the cavity to get the switch to fit in..not to mention getting all the wires involved with 6 way combos to route through that hidden wire channel from the existing 3 way to the control cavity. If the 3 way requires 3 wires plus ground, the 6 way will require at least double that, so the wire guage and thickness of the wires may have to be changed out as well...which now becomes an expensive modification. The switch is the cheapest part of this mod..the luthier/tech time is probably going to run into the hundreds. And..as a final thought...most people have enough grief troubleshooting problems with a 3 way, having 6 combinations to troubleshoot...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebrand Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Stew Mac has one available, called the Free Way switch. It is a six way switch and I am thinking about getting one for my Black Beauty 3 PUP. http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_pickups/Components:_Switches_and_knobs/Free-Way_Pickup_Switch.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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