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I think your chances of negotiating a lower price are better in-person than at either a mail-order or Internet order store.

 

I would try to monopolize the salesperson's time for as long as you can before dealing. Try dozens of guitars, talk about other things like gigging and music tastes, don't seem to eager to get any one guitar, and when you finally "decide" on the Casino, start talking price.

 

I learned all this from reading books, but have seldom been able to do it for two reasons (1) I can't wait to get my new toy home and (2) it is very hard for me to hide my enthusiasm for anything that I like about music.

 

Good luck,

Notes

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Yea, I've got the same situation, once I see the guitar, everything else is out of focus and not really there. I'll try that, but I am REALLY hesitant about buying it at GC, almost every guitar I played there was setup poorly, some missing switches, others had the knobs loose. And daddys music qualifies it as a special order for some reason. Bah. I've found one on ebay I'm bidding on, with some luck, in 11 hours, it may be mine for ~200 less than the store. It was made in 01, in the Peerless plant in Korea. Was that a good year and place for them? Thanks again.

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My Casino was made in the Peerless Factory in September of 2001 and it is a great guitar.

 

I bought it used at GC for $425 and then got a trade-in for my Kramer/Focus/Faux-Strat and case exactly what I paid for them.

 

The previous owner replaced the tuners with Grovers, and the Switch Knob and Potentiometers are USA sized so they obviously were replaced as well. I suspect the pickups have also been replaced (after all, why replace all the rest without replacing the pups). So I cannot give an opinion about the electronics of the guitar, but the guitar itself is well built and well finished.

 

Good luck,

Notes

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One day I have got to buy a guitar from that god aweful store to get to haggle someone for a bit. You can't haggle these days, prices are fixed. Inventory moves easy enough, if you don't buy it the next guy will so price gouge away.

 

I miss the days when merchants figured a sale is a sale and if it's a positive margin it's a profit.

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I learned loooooooong ago that EVERYTHING is negotiable. I like bickering with the manager personally because generally, he's got the last word on deals and generally he likes to prove his authority.For me, Sam Ash is a good example of a high profile retailer that will deal.......J

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I learned loooooooong ago that EVERYTHING is negotiable. I like bickering with the manager personally because generally' date=' he's got the last word on deals and generally he likes to prove his authority.For me, Sam Ash is a good example of a high profile retailer that will deal.......J[/quote']

 

Haggle on line?

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"Musician's Friend" has a "price match" policy, and I'm pretty sure, most of the other "on line" dealers do, too. So, if you can submit

proof of a quote, or at least the company name/contact (in the case of dealing over the phone) that made the lower quote to them, they will (usually) match it. That's been my experience, on several purchases, anyway. Good luck.

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Yea' date=' I've got the same situation, once I see the guitar, everything else is out of focus and not really there. I'll try that, but I am REALLY hesitant about buying it at GC, almost every guitar I played there was setup poorly, some missing switches, others had the knobs loose. And daddys music qualifies it as a special order for some reason. Bah. I've found one on ebay I'm bidding on, with some luck, in 11 hours, it may be mine for ~200 less than the store. It was made in 01, in the Peerless plant in Korea. Was that a good year and place for them? Thanks again.[/quote']

 

You'll have a tough time haggling at Daddy's... I've never been able to get them to budge on ANYTHING... Especially if they have to "special order" it... I'm not a big fan of Daddy's anyway... (long story) At least not the one in Nashua...

 

I would say eBay or Craigslist are your best bets for finding a Casino for less than 600 bones.. I got my Casino on eBay and really lucked out.. The one I got is a real gem... With a little patience and common sense, you'll find a good deal on eBay.. They're going for a bit less now than they were when I got mine... Just don't buy one that doesn't come with a case...

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One day I have got to buy a guitar from that god aweful store to get to haggle someone for a bit. You can't haggle these days' date=' prices are fixed. Inventory moves easy enough, if you don't buy it the next guy will so price gouge away.

 

I miss the days when merchants figured a sale is a sale and if it's a positive margin it's a profit.[/quote']

 

I get 15-20% off of every single guitar I buy at Guitar Center. In the last 12 months that includes,

 

Eric Clapton Artist Series USA strat *Blackie*

Gretsch Electromatic (an orange beauty)

Epi Cherry Dot

2 classicals

 

I get more than that off of other gear. Prices are NOT fixed.

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I just recieved my new Casino yesterday, ordered from MF. I'm totally in love with it!

 

On the subject of haggling on price, they will generally drop price on a demo off the wall, maybe old stock, or price match if you can prove it by add or internet price from competitors. That's about all I've found in my experience.

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Haggle on line?

 

Nope - never done that, although now I might try just it for grins...Being that you've been at GC trying out their guitars though would give you the opportunity to haggle like TheX mentions his experience with getting 15-20% off. I worked part time at a privately owned guitar shop and was amazed at what they paid for a guitar was faaaaaaaaaar less than what they sold it for. Others here, that currently own or work in shops now know the differential and you can bet in order to stay in business, they'll get the asking price as often as they can, but will negotiate to move product. It's just sensible to negotiate......J

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I just recieved my new Casino yesterday' date=' ordered from MF. I'm totally in love with it!

 

On the subject of haggling on price, they will generally drop price on a demo off the wall, maybe old stock, or price match if you can prove it by add or internet price from competitors. That's about all I've found in my experience.[/quote']

 

All 5 guitars I bought were new stock, I shop there a lot and watch what comes in.

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NEVER pay sticker price, on a car or a guitar!

 

Just get a business card from the salesman and walk out and go to the next store.

Tell the new salesman about the great deal you were offered by the competition show the business card.

Don`t feel bad sales people can be real greedy.

It helps to buy what they have in stock and at the end of the month.

 

I have worked a few jobs in sales and always aimed for a happy repeat customer.

 

This should be a new thread how not to get ripped off.

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But what are my chances of talking them down from the asking price of 599? I'm talking about GC' date=' the only guitar store in my area to carry them. OR, what about online? Is it actually possible to talk them down in price, places like musciansfriend, music123, samash, etc.

Thanks for the input![/quote']

 

As it's been previously stated, everything is in deed negotiable but everything also has a bottom line as well. Personally I wouldn't even consider buying a guitar new from Musician's Friend, Music 123 or any other on line concern because my local dealers will always beat their prices. I also like to go to Guitar Center and ask them to beat prices I come up with and they often do...but then add in the cost of the case which takes them right back into the stratosphere (pun intended) with their prices..and I walk away laughing at these putzes. I am fortunate in that I live within driving range of three of the top dealers in the country. Elderly's in Lansing, Motor City Guitar in Waterford and Huber And Breese in Fraser. If you are serious and ready to buy you can almost count on getting 40% off list and attentive, personal service from any of these dealers on the major brands. If you are tire kicking or just feeling them out, they aren't going to be real interested in dealing with you but will still be polite. The "bottom line" here is that a dealer pays about 50% of list for that instrument and they consider 5% of their 10% profit to be overhead costs so they're looking at an actual 5% profit margin which isn't a whole lot to deal with. Usually they'll throw in a custom set up or a couple sets of strings to sweeten the deal but they've already cut things to the bone to compete with the on line concerns who really aren't a huge deal on their prices but the perception is that there's some kind of bargain to be had on the internets. But why would I pay what amounts to about 20% off to buy from Musician's Friend ???( you know that "free shipping"-guess who's paying for that and if they can slip a guitar to you that's already been to someone else's house and was rejected they'll do that too?). Now, the on line concerns are good if you don't happen to be as fortunate as am and you live twenty miles outside of Cow Crotch, Iowa and the nearest full line Gibson dealer is two hundred miles away but if you have access to a brick and mortar dealer and you have cash in hand and are ready to roll there's no one on line that's going to beat what you can usually come up with locally. That's not saying there aren't idiot brick and mortar dealers that are outrageous in their pricing but very few will let you walk away if you're a sure thing with money in hand. Now, with special orders you may end up paying a bit more because the dealer cost is going to be slightly more but we're talking about maybe 5% more at most.

 

Used gear is another story. Dealers won't readily admit this but you know where most of them make their real money? Not selling Gibsons that's for sure. They make it selling strings and accessories, from their cut on the lessons and from used gear which often has a 75% mark up meaning they have twenty five bucks in it but they're asking a hundred. Again, they do have their bottom line (depending upon what it is and how much you're spending probably can get them to come down about 15%..or here in Michigan where we have a 6% sales tax I usually ask them for 10% off asking and they cover the tax). If they want to move stock and it's not something people are lining up to buy and again, if you have the money and are ready to go you can usually cut a pretty good deal. If you hem and haw and say stuff like..."well, I don't get paid until next Friday" or ..."my birthday is in two months and I'll have the money then" they're going to thank you for your interest and walk away. Money talks-that's the most important bottom line. Also, every dealer knows what every other dealer has and what they're selling it for so the old business card trick might work when buying a washing machine (and I've personally used that exact tactic with a television) but the guitar biz is a bit different. I would suggest first and foremost is have cash and be ready to buy when you finally ask for your deal. Something else, if you're buying a relatively big ticket guitar, say, over $2K and you've arrived at your price and you ask if they take credit cards and if they say "yes" (and you have the cash) then ask them if they'd discount the deal another 3% ($60 more on $2K) if you pay with cash-it costs a dealer between 4% and 5% to take that card so cash discounts can save a bit here and there. Good luck and happy hunting.

 

...and Al's your uncle.

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Oh baby, I pulled the trigger on an ebay sale, got it for 499 + shipping still less than the GC stuff WITH HSC. :-s/

And the guy who sold it was a class act 100%, if you need anything from ebay I would highly recommend him. I'll give his name here once I have his consent

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Snug in its mobile home...[-X/

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I should have it by mid week next week, its coming from NY State to Boston area MA.

I cannot wait. Thanks again to everyone's help and suggestions.

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Oh baby' date=' I pulled the trigger on an ebay sale, got it for 499 + shipping still less than the GC stuff WITH HSC. :-s/

And the guy who sold it was a class act 100%, if you need anything from ebay I would highly recommend him. I'll give his name here once I have his consent

 

 

I should have it by mid week next week, its coming from NY State to Boston area MA.

I cannot wait. Thanks again to everyone's help and suggestions. [/quote']

 

Whoa...wait a sec...that guitar doesn't look quite right...are you sure it's not a counterfeit?

 

 

Just messin' with you lol Nice guitar. Congratulations.

 

...and Al's your uncle.

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Whoa...wait a sec...that guitar doesn't look quite right...are you sure it's not a counterfeit?

 

 

Just messin' with you lol Nice guitar. Congratulations.

 

...and Al's your uncle.

 

You'll be getting a bill from my husband's cardiologist... he should be out of the shock coma within a week.

:-s

 

and yes, not seeing the 'E' on the pickguard kinda threw me for a loop, I checked the serial number, everything else looks exactly as is should, tophat knobs, les paul style head stock, right trapezoid tailpiece, it's just that damn missing 'e'

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Is it actually possible to talk them down in price

I started out looking at an LP Jr. coz they were cheap. Then I thought "Hmm a Special's not that much more expensive", and before you know it, I was looking at the Dots on GC's website. Then I noticed they had blems for around $300, so I went to my local GC and it turned out the blems were only available online. The salesman told me blems were a false economy because while they could have been returned for something as simple as a bad pup, a bad switch, whatever, they're also returned to have broken necks fixed, and he claimed you'd never be able to tell just by looking at it.

 

I told the salesman I didn't want to spend more than $300 and he found a new cherry Dot and sold it to me for $300 (+ tax). I think I got a deal.

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