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When we think Lennon it's always the Casino, The Modded Junior or a Ric that usually comes to mind...

 

I think this is the only time ever I have ever seen him playing an SG (Frank's of course) was with Zappa at this 71 Fillmore NYC performance...This performance would have been great, but it's just so hard to enjoy IMO....well you know, guess who just had to get involved once again!!! #-o

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWN_hzXBwV0

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Yeah' date=' I'm a BIG "John Lennon/Beatles" fan....BUT...Yoko always sounds like someone's strangling a cat!

Sorry, John....

 

CB[/quote']

Same here man and I didn't expect Lennon to keep giving us "Love Me Do" but I do believe he was off his rocker for allowing this time and time again (by forcing this down his fans throat) who wanted his songs post Beatles. Doesn't change how I feel about HIS music and as a songwriter.

 

But, if he was going for the whole 'Avant-Garde' thing just because she wanted to be on stage so badly obviously, it has it's time and it's place. Usually Zappa did the outrageous too but in this performance it just doesn't fit....... and certainly not with Chuck Berry!

 

 

Bonus!

 

Here is just over 10 Minutes of your life you may never get back if you dare sit through it all...

 

Toronto anyone???

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2rIrKenXas

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Yeah' date=' I'm a BIG "John Lennon/Beatles" fan....BUT...Yoko always sounds like someone's strangling a cat!

Sorry, John....

 

CB[/quote']

 

Ditto, only negative I can say about John is Yoko.

 

The Beatles were my awakening to music and I wish they were all still around instead of just two.

 

I was thinking of this last night while watching VH1 Classic

 

Drums: Ringo Starr

 

Bass and vocals: Paul McCartney

 

Lead guitar and vocals: Peter Townsend

 

Lead Vocals and rhythm guitar: Roger Daltry

 

The pieces of the puzzle fit together. Just a couple of nights at a large venue or two weeks at a small venue.

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I was thinking of this last night while watching VH1 Classic

 

Drums: Ringo Starr

 

Bass and vocals: Paul McCartney

 

Lead guitar and vocals: Peter Townsend

 

Lead Vocals and rhythm guitar: Roger Daltry

 

The pieces of the puzzle fit together. Just a couple of nights at a large venue or two weeks at a small venue.

Well, the Beatles' drummer & bass player are still alive, and The Who's singer & guitarist are still alive. Coincidence?

 

They should get together and call themselves The Whotles.

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Well' date=' the Beatles' drummer & bass player are still alive, and The Who's singer & guitarist are still alive. Coincidence?

 

They should get together and call themselves The Whotles.[/quote']

 

I don't see it as a long term thing, but a brief engagement would be interesting.

 

PS: if it doesn't work out, they could sell your idea for a name to be used as a snack - sounds like they might go good with beer.

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Ditto' date=' only negative I can say about John is Yoko[/quote']

 

I also count myself as a big Beatles fan, but John Lennon - whilst great in some ways, was also a bit of a ****. I point to his rather dismal attitude to Julian once Yoko came along. Of course I (like all Beatles fans surely do) that Yoko was the root of a lot of Lennon's poor decisions in his personal life and musically (Revolution No9 anyone?) he plain and simple should have done better by Julian.

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I'm not a fan of Yoko's music, but I do think people are too hard on her. John never denied that he hadn't been a great father to Julian - and that's why he decided to stay home and raise Sean, but I don't think Yoko was the reason he wasn't there for Julian. Actually, there are quite a few videos of John, Yoko, Julian, and Kyoko together.

 

If it weren't for Yoko, John wouldn't have written some of the songs he did... "Don't Let Me Down" is one of my favourite Beatle songs, and it was about Yoko.

 

She didn't cause the band to break up - they all admitted it, the band was done when they stopped touring. Add that to Epstein's death, differing opinions as to the direction of the band, and general personal differences, and they were bound to end it eventually.

 

If you're going to blame Yoko, you've got to blame John, Paul, and George just as much. Personally, I think Ringo's the only one who wasn't to blame, he was just happy to be along for the ride.

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Hey, John loved her, and she him! That's the bottom line, for them! But, I don't have to like her singing!

I don't hate her, or anything. And, I don't blame her, for his personality downfalls, or "breaking up the Beatles," or any

of that crap. I just don't think her "performance" adds anything to John's music... Now, his

songwriting, like Paul's and George's (or, anyone else's) IS going to be effected by his feelings...good and bad.

So, if she helped him, in that way, as well as other, more personal, ways...COOL! "I" just don't want to hear her

(seemingly mindless) caterwalling, thank you very much! "Art" or not! ;>b LOL!!!

 

CB

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If it weren't for Yoko' date=' John wouldn't have written some of the songs he did... "Don't Let Me Down" is one of my favourite Beatle songs, and it was about Yoko.

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Whether this song or any song was about her I highly doubt John needed Yoko as inspiration to write any song. That was John's craft and purpose in his short life. Sure you get inspired by the thing's in your life, no one is denying he loved her but again he wrote before her and would have written brilliant songs regardless, lets say it was another woman he was writing about, John Lennon was John Lennon.

 

As far as The Beatles go it's true they all admitted to being bored and hated touring at that point in their careers but John bringing her around during sessions for the final recordings and so forth wasn't the right thing to do to the other members of the band. Your in love? GREAT! You will see her after work.

 

Post Beatles...If you want to believe what was said by May Pang, Yoko Ono intercepted calls from McCartney and told John he didn't need to collaborate with Paul. According to May Pang, Paul wanted to write with John and John wanted to write with him again and reconcile their feud. But who knows what to believe its all hearsay. None of us were there.

 

However, what we did get to witness from these videos was way too much involvement on Yoko Ono's part in John's music and his interviews. Constantly there and yeah it's true John allowed it, so blame him I guess. All I know is John's fans didn't want to hear her scream and howl everytime John appeared for a performance post Beatles. George even told John NOT to bring her on stage for The Concert For Bangladesh benefit, the reason John didn't show up at the last minute. As much as I love Lennon's work, I'll never understand why he didn't see those things the same as the fans and some of his other fellow musicians did. Your wife is your wife and your work is your work.

 

IMO, If she was so much behind him rather than appearinng self centered always needing to be on stage when she clearly did not have the talent, she would have respected John's fans at very least.

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In my readings of about 5 books (I'm currently on Lennon Revealed), he really seemed to need Yoko Ono as someone to add order to his chaotic life, perhaps in more of a mother role than most wives. I definitely keep coming away with the idea that Yoko Ono told John "you don't need those guys...you are the genius". Unfortunately, I liked the diversity of John, George, and Paul, and one album of nothin' but John is a bit too much of one flavor.

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Well yeah Jeff it could make sense being that he lost his mother as he said "twice" so maybe thats what the connection to Yoko was, who knows? Either way he left us with plenty, but still would have loved more though. We will always wonder...

 

 

BTW Lennon fans Im sure you have seen this, if not you will really enjoy it...It's the original Westwood One "Lost Lennon Tapes" Broadcasts podcast page...You can choose to listen or download or both!

 

Enjoy...

http://littleabby.podomatic.com/

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JRizz, good point, I did overlook the Julian thing. I think John's absence in the Beatle years would have been the same for any of the members. Remember John was the only one married in the beginning and suddenly he is traveling the world, girls going crazy, it would be tough to be a good father and husband, I don't care who you are.

 

In the later years as John tried to make up some of that to Julian, John's life was cut short. Although I have no hard facts, but I think Yoko has screwed both Julian and Cynthia since day one. To be honest, I don't think Yoko loved John nearly as much as he loved her and as someone pointed out, she was sort of like his mother. Mentally John didn't appear to be stable and that might have been the genius in him - he looked at things differently than the normal person. Most likely John suffered from depression as evident in his tendency to latch on to something and almost act as nothing else mattered or existed. Going from a performer to a stay home Dad is a major swing in life style.

 

Of course this is only MHO and I am not a Psychiatrist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

 

Here is one of my biggest regrets, I had tickets to see The Beatles in I believe it was 1968 at Cleveland Stadium - didn't go.:-

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Just Strum...that would have been August, 1966...the last year they toured! I saw them later that month, in St. Louis, at Busch Stadium (long gone, now). It was an AWESOME experience, though as "concerts" go, a disaster...you couldn't hear much of anything, for all the screaming! But, as an event, I wouldn't have missed it!! No "Sound Systems" in those days. Just the metal horns, that was on the support poles, that the games were announced on. Very primitive, to say the least. Still, a once in a life time event, for me! And...he and

George WERE using their Casino's....still in the "sunburst" mode! Sounded (what I could here, now and then) awesome.

 

CB

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Well yeah Jeff it could make sense being that he lost his mother as he said "twice" so maybe thats what the connection to Yoko was' date=' who knows? Either way he left us with plenty, but still would have loved more though. We will always wonder...

 

 

BTW Lennon fans Im sure you have seen this, if not you will really enjoy it...It's the original Westwood One "Lost Lennon Tapes" Broadcasts podcast page...You can choose to listen or download or both!

 

Enjoy...

[b']

http://littleabby.podomatic.com/[/b]

 

If there was anyone who felt abandoned (by his real father by choice, then his birth mother by choice, the his birth mother by death, then his adopted father by death, then Stuart Sutcliff by death, then Brian Epstein by death), it was John Lennon.

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If there was anyone who felt abandoned (by his real father by choice' date=' then his birth mother by choice, the his birth mother by death, then his adopted father by death, then Stuart Sutcliff by death, then Brian Epstein by death), it was John Lennon. [/quote']

 

Yeah, Jeff...that might screw up anyone's head...to lose the people you loved, over and over.

As to what Yoko has or hasn't done, for Julian and Cynthia? No "love loss" on either side, there,

seemingly. So...who knows? The books may (or may not) be all that accurate? Anyway...nothing

we can do about it. It's their deal.

 

CB

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Just Strum...that would have been August' date=' 1966...the last year they toured! I saw them later that month, in St. Louis, at Busch Stadium (long gone, now). It was an AWESOME experience, though as "concerts" go, a disaster...you couldn't hear much of anything, for all the screaming! But, as an event, I wouldn't have missed it!! No "Sound Systems" in those days. Just the metal horns, that was on the support poles, that the games were announced on. Very primitive, to say the least. Still, a once in a life time event, for me! And...he and

George WERE using their Casino's....still in the "sunburst" mode! Sounded (what I could here, now and then) awesome.

 

CB[/quote']

 

I couldn't remember what year, my friends sister bought them for us for our birthdays. I know it would have been a disaster, but it would be a heck of a "I was there". I wish at the very least I still had the ticket...and my Beatles cards, pen, notebook, boots, and wig. Boy I could use the wig today. Geez, 1966 I was only 12 or 13 at the time.

 

 

 

http://www.beatlesincleveland.com/

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Yeah' date=' Jeff...that might screw up anyone's head...to lose the people you loved, over and over.

As to what Yoko has or hasn't done, for Julian and Cynthia? No "love loss" on either side, there,

seemingly. So...who knows? The books may (or may not) be all that accurate? Anyway...nothing

we can do about it. It's their deal.

 

CB[/quote']

 

Where I part ways with Lennon was his apparent desire to leave Cynthia and Julian with as little as possible financially. I think that Yoko might have been pushing that. Cynthia claims that John attempted to accuse her of adultery (which John had probably committed on 5,000 occasions) to avoid giving her any sort of financial support. A low point in the Lennon legacy.

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