JEPI Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 http://forums.gibson.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=2013 Gibby Forum: Didn't know people felt this way. It doesn't seem so here............J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkwire Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I didn't read the whole thread, but I think they're just impatient, not snooty. Those of us who have been playing guitar for decades can forget what it's like for someone starting out and trying to get information. For my part, I was given a lot of misinformation and bad attitude when I was trying to learn guitar. So I've always made sure that I don't act that way when people ask me questions that might seem obvious to me. If you're on an internet message board in the first place, you've got time to kill. So why get mad when somebody asks 'What gauge strings should I put on my Les Paul?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epinder Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I can happily state that I was one of the minority that voted no. I too, can't believe the snobishness (if thats a word) that that particular thread brought out. I'm sorry, but I think that these forums are for everyone, including those of us that don't know the correct screw size for a p/u cover. By reading a lot of back and forths here at the Epi forum, I've learned a fair amount regarding guitars. More than I would have learned if I went to the Gibson/Epiphone site. As for dating guitars, yes it is easier to navigate the manufacturers site for that info, but sometimes a person just wants to show off their new equipment. This forum is definitely more tolerent of lesser informed participents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwillow777 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I was given a lot of misinformation and bad attitude when I was trying to learn guitar. So I've always made sure that I don't act that way when people ask me questions that might seem obvious to me. I quite agree. I remember learning to play and asking questions to guitar players back in the 60's and their response to me was basically, "I learned it on my own, so I'm not gonna show you." I would never do that to anyone wanting to learn guitar. This forum has a very knowledgable group people here and I have learned a lot in the past year that I have been here. So, thanks to everyone. I really didn't want to get mushy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEPI Posted March 17, 2008 Author Share Posted March 17, 2008 I didn't read the whole thread' date=' but I think they're just impatient, not snooty. Those of us who have been playing guitar for decades can forget what it's like for someone starting out and trying to get information. For my part, I was given a lot of misinformation and bad attitude when I was trying to learn guitar. So I've always made sure that I don't act that way when people ask me questions that might seem obvious to me. If you're on an internet message board in the first place, you've got time to kill. So why get mad when somebody asks 'What gauge strings should I put on my Les Paul?'[/quote'] Good point I changed the topic..........J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I didn't read the whole post either. But I've read so many similar ones I don't have to. Newbies are going to ask dumb questions because newbies are ignorant (not necessarily dumb - there is a difference). Some old timers who have been on any particular forum are going to get irate because they see the same question over and over again and they are going to rant about it. The reason they rant about it is one I cannot understand. On a forum like this, you can simply ignore the questions you don't want to respond to. Actually, ranting about it probably takes more energy than answering the question the newbie asked in the first place. Not everybody knows how to search a forum, and from the searches I've done on many forums, a carefully crafted keyword combination can turn out thousands of results, most of them irrelevant. Your answer might be the 725th one and who wants to wade through that many. One of the purposes of these forums are for people to ask questions and learn things they didn't know, therefore reducing their ignorance of the subject. On this thread, we get the "What's the difference between Gibson and Epiphone" question asked so many times. There are kind people on the thread who answer the newbies, grouchy people who rant about the question, and others who simply ignore the question. I recall asking a lot of stupid questions in my life. Before settling on my Casino, I was thinking about an SG/G-400. I asked the salesman at GC why the prices were so different. He told me the Gibson was so much better but couldn't really tell me why. He said the wood was better, but they both looked good. He said the electronics were better, but they sounded very similar. I can't see why the Gibby costs so much more than the Epi. What he didn't say was the real reason, Asian labor is much cheaper than US labor, which probably accounts for the majority of the difference, and the higher quality wood and electronics probably play a much smaller part. Other dumb questions I've asked: "What is a sequencer?", "What is quantization?", "What makes the BBE Sonic Maximizer sound so good?", "What relationship does the tip opening and chamber size on a sax mouthpiece have with the sax tone?", "Where and when was my Casino made?", "How do I convert a PC MIDI file to a Mac MIDI file?" etc., etc. In each case someone with more experience on the subject patiently answered the question for me, and I became less ignorant on the subject. I am grateful. But how do I pay back their kindness? Although I've learned a lot about sequencing MIDI files, I still cannot help the person who I asked "What is a sequencer?" to. After all he still has a few years experience more than I do at sequencing, and he was very good at it when I was a newbie. The only way to repay the kind people who helped me when I was a novice is to take the combination of knowledge that I learned from these kind people, combine it with I discovered myself, and when I can, pass the information down to the person with less experience. In the days before these Internet forums, I asked other musicians and called companies on the telephone. Some people were rude, others explained that they couldn't help me, and still others were kind enough to share their information with me. I have a deep respect for those kind folks, because they helped make me the multi-instrumentalist that I am today. And I am having a great life, playing music with my best friend (wife) for appreciative audiences and not punching a time clock. So my response is for those who want to be remembered as kind people and feel good about assisting a fellow musician, help out the newbies. For those without the time or patience to answer the question, please simply ignore the post. Insights and incites by Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrma Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I have to say, the advice on here is top compared to other forums. That post is typical of people who think they know everything, and think it's thier forum. Without the members asking questions, there's no forum! I've had the same problems on car forums before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcorn429 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Um yeah... I just read that whole thread and it really doesn't surprise me to see something like that in that forum. I'm a member there and here just because I'm still really green on guitars and need to learn from the more experienced people around. For instance I'd be the one to ask (and feel free to answer if you want. If ya don't then I'll just post a thread) "What type of strings should I put on LP? I've heard the heavier the the string the heavier the tone but have been playin with 9s and am thinking of switching to 10s or 11s. What do you guys think?" or " I've heard alot of people talk about slash type up grades, Where did you get you Seymour Duncan Pro Alnico 2s at and how much? What other modifications did you make or do you suggest making?" Bottom line guys, Thanks for helpin us newbies out with the info because sometimes its hard to sort through it all and ya need some guidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitmore Willy Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Thank you Funkwire, Just wanted to chime in and say that I think you nailed it. I would also say that even with the occasional "constructive corrections", the Epi forum is one of the most informative and fun forums I have been on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkwire Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 "What type of strings should I put on LP? I've heard the heavier the the string the heavier the tone but have been playin with 9s and am thinking of switching to 10s or 11s. What do you guys think?" Move up a gauge to 10s and see how they feel. You will notice an increase in your tone. They'll be heavier, but it's not that drastic of a change. I started out playing 9s, then moved up to 10s a few months later. After playing for 12 years, I moved up to 11s. About 5 years ago I moved up to 12s...I just went back to 11s, mainly because the wound strings on 12 sets are too thick for most nut slots...and I'd rather use a smaller gauge then file out all my guitars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyelcrrt1281733995 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Personally, I'll try to help anyone who asks for it...but I have a real problem with these people: 1. The ones who ask the same question 2 or 3 times - in separate threads yet. 2. The ones who insult anyone who responds with an answer they don't like. 3. The ones who won't tell you all the info you need to answer the question because they screwed it up (often contrary to previously solicited advice). 4. The ones who TELL you the answer before they ask it. 5. The ones who ask a question only so they can flame someone who tries to answer. 6. ANYONE who starts a "Mine is better than yours" thread. 7. The ones who ask questions no one else knows the answer to, so they can show off. I'd better stop there. I am pleased to see these people in one regard, though. It gives me a legitimate reason to vent when I occasionally need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matiac Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I can happily state that I was one of the minority that voted no. I too' date=' can't believe the snobishness (if thats a word) that that particular thread brought out. I'm sorry, but I think that these forums are for everyone, including those of us that don't know the correct screw size for a p/u cover. By reading a lot of back and forths here at the Epi forum, I've learned a fair amount regarding guitars. More than I would have learned if I went to the Gibson/Epiphone site. As for dating guitars, yes it is easier to navigate the manufacturers site for that info, but sometimes a person just wants to show off their new equipment. This forum is definitely more tolerent of lesser informed participents. [/quote'] I too voted no. Those guys have to realise the internet is a pretty big entity, and with all the fake stuff out there, these people are probably a little concerned they too weren't "taken". It's just one of those things that's going to be brought up time and again...kinda like the x vs. x scenario... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEPI Posted March 17, 2008 Author Share Posted March 17, 2008 Move up a gauge to 10s and see how they feel. You will notice an increase in your tone. They'll be heavier' date=' but it's not that drastic of a change. I started out playing 9s, then moved up to 10s a few months later. After playing for 12 years, I moved up to 11s. About 5 years ago I moved up to 12s...I just went back to 11s, mainly because the wound strings on 12 sets are too thick for most nut slots...and I'd rather use a smaller gauge then file out all my guitars![/quote'] 11, 14, 18p, 26, 36, 46......For me this gets it done........J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkwire Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I'm using webstring's Jazz/Rock set (.011, .014, .018, .028, .038, .050). They're working well for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I quite agree. I remember learning to play and asking questions to guitar players back in the 60's and their response to me was basically' date=' "I learned it on my own, so I'm not gonna show you." I would never do that to anyone wanting to learn guitar. This forum has a very knowledgable group people here and I have learned a lot in the past year that I have been here. So, thanks to everyone. I really didn't want to get mushy.[/quote'] double down on that 60's comment. man it was competitive and selfish and vain and arrogant to the max. sensitive little boogers, eh? *L* Now, you find a lot of people who will show you about anything.. and some that are impatient.. I think those are mostly youthful, or constipated. I show anyone anything they want.. it's hard to beat helping out young players especially.. to me that's very satisfying. remember when the beatles were foreigners and the beach boys were usa!! *L* kids in our town used to actually argue about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V-Type Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Unfortunately Some forum members in nearly any forum Ive gone too have the same Act. Clubs and Memberships are fun but when you think because youre Number Such and such and been there longer than Joe Newb so Your topics are More important is BS. No matter how you cut it. Gibson and Epiphone and Any forum wants More content,members and users and questions, etc... I actually like helping rather than being snobish. And I thought the Gibson forum was more Pro than to allow this dissention type of behaviour. Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxst1281733995 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Most of the guitar forums I've been to seem to be populated by a bunch of elitist snobs who don't want to let you into their clique... Like the Admin should have pulled up the ladder after they became a member... And if someone asks a question that one of the "long-standing" members find too rudimentary, they all take turns making thinly veiled insults of their answers... That's why this is the only forum I participate in.. When I first started posting at the old forum about 8 months ago, nobody tried to edge me out, or assume an attitude with me.. Perhaps it's comradery among misfits, being that we're all devotees of what could be considered an "underdog" guitar brand.. But I think for the most part, we're pretty friendly and welcoming folk around here... Sure, we may have a little friction every now and then, but that's to be expected in any social situation.. At other forums, you feel unwanted as soon as you introduce yourself... Nobody bothers to respond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L_Mo Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I just want to thank you guys for being really great. I've asked some questions here that I'm sure I could find out by looking it up.. Instead of "jeez dude, google. Heard of it?" I got really informative answers and it helped me learn a lot more about my guitar - way more than I would have learned by just looking it up. I like to browse forums for the question-and-answer type stuff more than the shoot-the-breeze type of conversations and what's great is you can get both here with no issue. This is one of the best forums I watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickblues1 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I think it all boils down to the maturity and understanding of the responders. We all started someplace and we all asked similar questions. The exchange of our collective knowledge should be shared so that the next group to follow is ahead of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedgeSG Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I've never read anything off of a Gibson forum until this link appeared. Obviously you shouldn't make a judgement call against a forum based on a single thread, but after taking that as a sample I'm in no hurry to lurk, much less register to post over there. I am a newbie but I am a sponge. If I practiced as much as I read I might be better than a hack but not by much. For me, actual racket making is somewhat difficult to fit in...but I try to get more info by reading or watching something EVERY day. There have been many times that I've posted here with a tinge of doubt as to whether I was even qualified to give advice. On those times I have spoke-up; I've tried to make sure I had knowledge AND experience prior to putting up a suggestion or comment. Like others have said, folks here are friendly, knowledgeable, and eager to help no matter how trivial, (to some), the query may be. While I've been an admirer and info gatherer for many years: I've only been a player for a few. As many of you may know by now, I've always been a car, (specifically Mopar), nut for preety much my entire life. In the Mopar circles there is a similar parallel to this scene... Mopar folk will always help each other out like Epi people do. Not uncommon to see the 35K restored RoadRunner owner pointing the guy with a rusty Valient toward a parts source, and the like. But there is an aloof section that keeps to themselves even among other Mopar faithful, and really seems to not favor any line crossing into their side unless you're an owner, (sounds kinda exclusive like the Gibson people on the thread linked), those fortunate few would be the Winged Car owners. If you've got a Superbird or Daytona it seems as if you have slipped the surly bonds of Earth and touched the face of God. Mere mortals need not look at you, much less be so bold as to speak in your presence. They've seemingly reached the highest plateau and now only converse with others who've also attained deity status. Thanks but no thanks! I heard it's lonely up there on the top: and the "mines more correct" fights take on gladiator proportions. Nope, I'll just hang right here with you guys- where people are, civil, helpful, and realize that when you think you know it all you've really just fooled yourself. Wedgie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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