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I've got a bunch of newbie questions regarding vjr head and cabinet

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There is a little trick you can use to align tubes....just mark the gap with a line on the chassis with a sharpie when you have the tubes out and you will avoid all the fumbling around lining up the pins when you go to put the tubes back in. Even though it's hard to see the socket...you can see the line and it helps.

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" I would say that the $100 you will spend on a good used POD is far better spent than 50 here, 35 there, etc. etc. on this mod or that mod..."

 

I couldn't disagree more....a pod sounds like a pod plugged into anything! Why bother with nice warm tube sound if your going to put a pod ahead of it? A nicely modded amp will give you a much better tone than you'll ever get out of a pod. I just have to disagee here sorry. Part of the attraction (for me anyway) to the valve jr is that for a little money you can actually get away from the model "close enough but not quite there" tones of line 6 etc...and get into some "real" tube sounds. It all depends on what your after I guess....for me it's just amp,guitar and speaker type tones.

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" I would say that the $100 you will spend on a good used POD is far better spent than 50 here' date=' 35 there, etc. etc. on this mod or that mod..."

 

I couldn't disagree more....a pod sounds like a pod plugged into anything! Why bother with nice warm tube sound if your going to put a pod ahead of it? A nicely modded amp will give you a much better tone than you'll ever get out of a pod. I just have to disagee here sorry. Part of the attraction (for me anyway) to the valve jr is that for a little money you can actually get away from the model "close enough but not quite there" tones of line 6 etc...and get into some "real" tube sounds. It all depends on what your after I guess....for me it's just amp,guitar and speaker type tones.[/quote']

 

That's a tough one there. I'm getting tone out of my XTL/Vj that are unbelievable and the versatility is 2nd to none. I'm also using a Variax 700 which throws even more digital signal into the mix, but I couldn't be happier. The biggest surprise was found by accident when I was just testing different amp models (no effects except for 30% reverb) through the Vj and had forgotten the variax was still set in acoustic mode. I was rewarded with one of the best acoustic sounds I'd ever heard. I have 3 acoustic guitars and a PA setup also, so it's not like I'm just remembering an acoustic sound and thinking this is better. I can strum a few chords on my acoustics and do the same thing with my variax and to my ear it's just better. That's not the only example. The Vj also really likes the 65 marshall jtm 45 setting. I've only had this Vj (head/cab) a few days and haven't even scratched the surface yet of what it can do, but I have to agree with the other poster. If your talking "bang for buck" there is just no better way and don't think for a minute your settling on compromises with digital wizardry. If you actually know what your doing with a POD these tones standup all by themselves.

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That's a tough one there. I'm getting tone out of my XTL/Vj that are unbelievable and the versatility is 2nd to none. I'm also using a Variax 700 which throws even more digital signal into the mix' date=' but I couldn't be happier. The biggest surprise was found by accident when I was just testing different amp models (no effects except for 30% reverb) through the Vj and had forgotten the variax was still set in acoustic mode. I was rewarded with one of the best acoustic sounds I'd ever heard. I have 3 acoustic guitars and a PA setup also, so it's not like I'm just remembering an acoustic sound and thinking this is better. I can strum a few chords on my acoustics and do the same thing with my variax and to my ear it's just better. That's not the only example. The Vj also really likes the 65 marshall jtm 45 setting. I've only had this Vj (head/cab) a few days and haven't even scratched the surface yet of what it can do, but I have to agree with the other poster. If your talking "bang for buck" there is just no better way and don't think for a minute your settling on compromises with digital wizardry. If you actually know what your doing with a POD these tones standup all by themselves.[/quote']

 

How the hell is it not a compromise? A modeling amp is by it's very nature a compromise. "don't think for a minute your settling on compromises with digital wizardry..." Thats exactly what you are doing. Digital emulated imitation guitars and amps vs the real thing.....I'll take the real thing every time and that has absolutely nothing to do with how well you can tweak a pod's tones. It's kinda like going to a concert expecting Tower of Power for the horn section only to find some guy covering the lines on a DX-7....close but no cigar. BTW Tower of Power's guitar player was using 2 flextone amps the last time I saw him to keep his vintage fender amps from getting banged up on the road. ...as many pro's do ...so close enough is good enough sometimes ...but it's not the real deal. That is really all I'm trying to say. Why even buy a pod and a valve jr then? A vox valvetronix or a roland cube all in one will give you even more bang for the buck if that's what you are looking for. I think the valve jr is at it's best naked.

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How the hell is it not a compromise? A modeling amp is by it's very nature a compromise. "don't think for a minute your settling on compromises with digital wizardry..." Thats exactly what you are doing. Digital emulated imitation guitars and amps vs the real thing.....I'll take the real thing every time and that has absolutely nothing to do with how well you can tweak a pod's tones. It's kinda like going to a concert expecting Tower of Power for the horn section only to find some guy covering the lines on a DX-7....close but no cigar. BTW Tower of Power's guitar player was using 2 flextone amps the last time I saw him to keep his vintage fender amps from getting banged up on the road. ...as many pro's do ...so close enough is good enough sometimes ...but it's not the real deal. That is really all I'm trying to say.

 

Didn't mean to get anyone excited, "compromise" is purely subjective. There are people who actually prefer SS in alot of cases. Just because something is "real" doesn't mean everyone thinks it's better. I like a good tele/mesaboogie, strat/marshall setup as well as the next guy. I just don't think one is better then the other in all cases. They're just different. To your ear you have to have real to my ear I have to have hybrid, to someone else ear it has to be SS. Bottom line is if you like it it's all good. Versatility however is a different debate.

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Just to prove once again that tone is purely subjective! I've got a buddy that lives far away that I cannot for the life of me convince to pry himself from his Line 6 amp thingy and his POD.

 

The clincher for me is that I've yet to hear a single POD or modeling amp player out live where I've come away slack-jawed at his tone. The same cannot be said of tube amp players, for some reason. I go see a great player playing a great guitar through a great tube amp, and I'm inspired and moved, every time.

 

To each his own, though. That's what makes the world go around!

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Just to prove once again that tone is purely subjective! I've got a buddy that lives far away that I cannot for the life of me convince to pry himself from his Line 6 amp thingy and his POD.

 

The clincher for me is that I've yet to hear a single POD or modeling amp player out live where I've come away slack-jawed at his tone. The same cannot be said of tube amp players' date=' for some reason. I go see a great player playing a great guitar through a great tube amp, and I'm inspired and moved, every time.

 

To each his own, though. That's what makes the world go around!

 

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Exactly! I'm not getting excited and I like some solid state sounds too. This really kinda got off track it's not a debate about the versatility of the pod. He has a version 3 half stack and with a few simple mods (nowhere near $100 BTW) he can acheive some great all tube tones. The notion that a used pod is a better way to go than a few simple cheap mods is what I object to. Why does it have to be one or the other?

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Sheik -- Anyone who is taking up electric guitar in the first place will sooner or later add a pedal or two (or 12 for some) and that goes for everyone -- TUBE AMP players as well as solid staters!! Most pedals are solid state circuitry so this will obviously FLAVOR true tube amp tone to some degree. But that's not a bad thing if used right. My approach/advice takes that sensible, and budget conscious, approach to your tone quest (e.g. Since you will add a pedal - or POD - anyway why not do that 1st and see where that takes you. Whereas modding can be tricky, costly, and yes can fail!!!)

 

A few of these forum guys are knowledgeable, but I suspect it's a low % of modders overall who own a second "stock" ver. 3 Jr. to even A/B check their tone before/after mods -- and yet they rave about how perfect it sounds after their mod. Granted the older versions -- especially the combos -- needed help. I am sure of one thing -- if all Jr. mods were working out as great as claimed then there wouldn't be ten + modded Jrs for sale at any time on eBay. :) MOST OF THESE ARE MISTAKES that the owners (now sorry that they screwed up their Jr.) want to dump off on a newbie so that they can start over with the new version 3. ;)

 

Everything in the loop FLAVORS the tone - cables, speakers, etc. - and even things outside the loop like the room you play in. You have a good setup as your starting point --- Just be darn sure you're really ready to leap into those no way out "soldering type mods" so that you will be playing guitar instead of kicking yourself at the result. Me, I'm going to Play on....;)

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Steve, I think besides perhaps an analogue reverb pedal (that being an electromagnetically induced spring box tied to a pickup), I can stick with my modded VJ ;) An EQ might do it for me one day too, and these just involve pots and caps... *ponders an equalizer box with gain correction via a low-gain pre-amp tube* ...

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"Just be darn sure you're really ready to leap into those no way out "soldering type mods"

 

That's rediculous.....the whole circuit is very simple and the no way out thing is pure bullshit! There is nothing in a valve jr that can't be fixed or replaced easily by most novice modders who can ask questions and follow directions. You seem to have a fear of soldering irons. Anything you can solder in can be reversed and sites like sewatt.com are full of knowlegable helpful people if you decide to mod your amp.....but don't let this guy scare you away. If you are truely not comfortable doing the work ,then don't mod it,but that point of no return stuff is really not true at all. Most people who mod their valve jr's learn a great deal and many go on to scratch build their own custom amps.

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a VJ sounds nice but sometimes I also like Reverb, Chorus, Delay, etc and my Korg M.E. Pedal helps my VJ "sing"... I have 3 tube amps and 2 SS amps and all of em sound good for different things. I'm sure a Chorus or Reverb "Mod" is next though 'eh? I still think you "Modders" are like "Tim The Toolman Taylor"... trying to get "a little more power out of her..." :- I'm fixin' to mod my toaster. "Modders" are like "Hackers" (me - in my younger days) - they're never "finished".

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I suspect it's a low % of modders overall who own a second "stock" ver. 3 Jr. to even A/B check their tone before/after mods --

 

I'd say you're right about that. It's uber easy to screw up and not know it, but it's really not that difficult to improve on the basic theme with just a few parts. If you don't have a friend with a stock VJr you can compare your mods to, you can always take it to the local amp store to let 'em hear your latest tweaks. There's bound to be a demo VJr to have a shootout with. And if you lose, tell 'em you'll be back for another round soon! :-

 

I have four v2 VJr's with turretboards, and one v3 that is bone stock except for a Loop-D-Junior jack. I don't sell the Loop-D-Junior anymore, so I don't need the stock amp for a quality control platform, and I don't know how much longer I can stand NOT fixing it! It may be a v3, but it still needs help to sound its best. And I'm tired of it chewing through power tubes just for the sake of relatively boring sounding stock reference amp!

 

Gil...

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If you don't have a friend with a stock VJr you can compare your mods to' date=' you can always take it to the local amp store to let 'em hear your latest tweaks.[/quote']

 

I'm so doing this when I finish modding up my VJ head. Guitar Center guys will be like D:

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a VJ sounds nice but sometimes I also like Reverb' date=' Chorus, Delay, etc and my Korg M.E. Pedal helps my VJ "sing"... I have 3 tube amps and 2 SS amps and all of em sound good for different things. I'm sure a Chorus or Reverb "Mod" is next though 'eh? I still think you "Modders" are like "Tim The Toolman Taylor"... trying to get "a little more power out of her..." :- I'm fixin' to mod my toaster. "Modders" are like "Hackers" (me - in my younger days) - they're never "finished".[/quote']

 

Yup there's alot of truth in that....but that's part of the fun....and seriously we are talkin' about a $129 amp here...you practically are hot rodding a toaster!! Also nobody is saying you cant use delay's and chorus pedals with these as well. Talk about never finished...ask Gil how many times he has modded a couple of his amps. All kidding aside it's alot of fun and if you follow some basic safety proceedures there is very little to fear...and if you do screw it up there is also a great sense of satisfaction that comes from being able to troubleshoot and fix your own amp. :D/ :D/

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Nah we're just havin' some fun...there's nothin' nasty going on! Hey BTW that's a nice looking Casino you got there!

 

"There's no harm in feeling uncomfortable with it, and wanting to farm it out. This stuff isn't difficult, but it does require a level of patience and even a degree of courage that some just don't want to test. There's nothing wrong with that. If that's the case, ask around to friends you know who play. I'm willing to bet that at least one of them either does this stuff themselves, or knows someone who does. "

 

I agree 100% with the above statement FWIW and if you are not comfortable with it for any reason....Don't do it! I joke around alot,but I'm quite serious about the safety issues. If you decide modding is something you would like to try go to sewatt.com and research everything you plan on doing before you jump in.

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Hey Gang,

 

Just though I'm chime in and say I'm loving POD vs EVJr/tube amp discussion......had it many time with old friends and am glad to see it brought up here! I had a friend complain for ages about how he couldn't hear himself at shows and the weird high end he was getting out of his Hotrod Deluxe only to finally discover he was running a POD in front of it - so it was time for a little talk about all the digital artifacts those amp modelers have and that transparent quality they have in a live setting. He took the POD out of the line for the next gig and couldn't believe the difference - the pod however did have him realize he was trying to get those 6L6's to do something they don't and now he's got an AC30! Not that they aren't great little tools for recording and having fun around the house - but you just can't beat the joy of tubes!

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Talk about never finished...ask Gil how many times he has modded a couple of his amps.

 

You said it bro. I've pretty much lost count of the rebuilds on my first turretboard. It's not like I'm worried about Twang catching up to either of us in that department' date=' although if anyone can do it... #-o

 

But to the issue of a VJr or POD... Boredom is the bane of budding musicians. The POD's are a good thing because they have so much to play with; and only the most truly and utterly depraved will ever scratch the bottom of the POD's deep end of the pool. But the tone from a plain and simple VJr, all by itself, just makes you WANT to play it more. To me, THAT, says it all! If I had to have one or the other, I'd go for the real tube amp first, every time. The GAS for effects is historically supposed to come later anyway, right? Kids! default_eusa_wall.gif

 

Gil...

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You said it bro. I've pretty much lost count of the rebuilds on my first turretboard. It's not like I'm worried about Twang catching up to either of us in that department' date=' although if anyone can do it... 8-[

 

But to the issue of a VJr or POD... Boredom is the bane of budding musicians. The POD's are a good thing because they have so much to play with; and only the most truly and utterly depraved will ever scratch the bottom of the POD's deep end of the pool. But the tone from a plain and simple VJr, all by itself, just makes you WANT to play it more. To me, THAT, says it all! If I had to have one or the other, I'd go for the real tube amp first, every time. The GAS for effects is historically supposed to come later anyway, right? Kids! ](*,)

 

Gil...

 

Well, as usual I agree Gil....I have a modeler myself for noodling around and they are very useful tools no doubt....but they don't put the smile on my face that comes from those pure tube tones. Hey everybody has different likes...but I would like to make one more point here. Just as someone said they doubt many people had unmodded amps to compare their modded amps to...the same holds true for the POD IMHO. If all you ever play thru is the POD it sounds pretty good to you,but when you A/B it with what it's attempting to model the limitations become very obvious....at least to me. There's just always something missing from the sounds. Thats true of any modeler I've tried,not just the POD.

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I agree as well. I started playing in the 70's so tube amps were the cheap amps then. I still get goose bumps when I crank up a good tube amp and feel every note! Wish I had some of those 40.00 garage sale items back!

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Whatever you do, don't let folks find out you can tweak amps, or else things that need fixing will start showing up on your door step. Not that getting to poke around inside other folk's toys isn't fun, but boy does it ever give you GAS with a capital G!

 

Right now, I have this overwhelming desire to build myself a Bassman. I suspect the reissue sitting in my living room waiting for a multi-tap MM output transformer to be installed has something to do with it. Besides, I may soon have a free 2 ohm OT I'll have to find a use for. 8-[

 

Gil...

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I am sure of one thing -- if all Jr. mods were working out as great as claimed then there wouldn't be ten + modded Jrs for sale at any time on eBay. MOST OF THESE ARE MISTAKES that the owners (now sorry that they screwed up their Jr.) want to dump off on a newbie so that they can start over with the new version 3.

 

 

I think that's a huge exaggeration and not proveable in any way.

furthermore, though a used amp has to be sold without a warranty, many of the sellers offer support and backup in case of failure.

And, Worm, for one, did a very good job with his VJ and wanted to go on, having been bitten by the mod bug.. and only got two hundred bucks which was far less than that amp deserved.

 

this thing about modding doesn't impress some poeple.. and they buy pods.

It does impress other people, like me, who has three vjs right now and plans to keep modding from what I'm learning with them.

 

When I go to sell my combo, it's not a failure at all.. I bought a package deal and am selling the guitar to a sons friend and the amp will probably go ebay.

Marshall modded, by me, and it's nice.. sounds much better than a stock V3VJ anyday of the week.. someone will get a nicely modded amp, at a good price. They wont be getting screwed over at all.

 

And I think there's a lot more to what I'm saying than any paranoia you can create.

 

many of the amps on there are modded well, and sold to pay for more modding.. V2 owners who want to mod a V3, any version owners who want to try a scratch build, or one of the many other amp kits available.

 

 

Nothing I have tried in front of my Vj really does the tones it creates as much justice as nothing.

That's a little problematic for people who find there's just not enough there to cover a wide variety of sounds..

and I also think there's not enough there to hide thier crappy playing sometimes, too.. we all know when someone resorts to doodads to fixing their sound. More of them than those who are truly good players, or want to be, and can handle efx, etc.

 

It's not a hugely versatile amp.. it's got some very good clean sounds.. recordable.. add efx at the board..

it's got great distortion and a range that's variable to some extent. covering most things. hard driven country, overdriven blues,

outright rock n roll.

No matter how many times I play mine, most of that time is spent straight in.

It was tone I was after, and it was tone I got.

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and having read a few more post..

 

I do hope to catch up!

 

I had a V2 stock to compare to my 1st V2 modded..

and promptly modded it.

 

I had V3 combo, and an extra 12" speaker to compare to my modded V2s

and promptly modded it.

 

using the same speaker, 8 or 12, my modded combo will blow away your stock combo.

 

 

It probably is true that too many people try the mods and fail in some way.. but from what I've heard and seen all over the web, most of those unhappy had either absurd expectations or didn't really understand what a 5 watt single ended amp is or can be expected to do in the first place.

 

As a stock unit it's useable for some. For others that seriously try, there's more.

Even a hellova lot more.

 

I don't want to see someone slapped with some weird lawsuit.. you blew up my son!.. so I don't really know how to encourage yet be responsible .. but I know that everyone tries.

And not just over the safety issue.

Time and again I've heard people attenuate their own 'jones' and try very hard to get a guy with mod fever down to earth.

 

We don't want you to get hurt, we don't want you to fail, we don't want you to get ripped off.

But we also can't help encouraging tone quests.

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Whatever you do' date=' don't let folks find out you can tweak amps, or else things that need fixing will start showing up on your door step. Not that getting to poke around inside other folk's toys isn't fun, but boy does it ever give you GAS with a capital G!

 

Right now, I have this overwhelming desire to build myself a Bassman. I suspect the reissue sitting in my living room waiting for a multi-tap MM output transformer to be installed has something to do with it. Besides, I may soon have a free 2 ohm OT I'll have to find a use for. :-

 

Gil...[/quote']

 

Prepare to fall in love Gil....now you know I love valve jr's,but I have a real soft spot for those BF tones too! I think a handwired bassman is in your future for sure....that OT will drive one of those funky 3/10 cabs beautifully too!

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