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Hey folks.. I did a search but I'm not too bright in this catagory and I couldn't quite find what I was looking for. I was hoping someone could give me some basic info on what type of pots I need as well as what tools are required to replace my stock pots (besides a soldering iron). I have an Epiphone Sheraton II w/ Seymour Duncan Phat Cat P-90s (currently bypassing all pots). Seems like I need a very low profile wrench or something?

 

Thanks!

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Interesting. there are good wiring diagrams on both the Gibson and Seymour Duncan web sites for various 335 style wiring and different wiring options. I would suggest reading about Alpha vrs. Beta pots, cap values, wiring options, etc. You will need a Soldering iron, flux, solder, wrench or socket (different sizes for alpha/beta), and string to tie to the pots to fish them throught the body. Don't for get to scratch the bottom of the pots to assure good ground connections and no cold solder connections. I personally think the full size pots give more roll off variation than the minis, personal preference though.

 

Good luck, bro !

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you need mini pots. Audio taper. 500K is typical.

regular size wont fit.

I have a sheraton II with Kent Armstrong P90s.

 

When you do a sheraton, you have to fish things through the f holes with string.

the trick is knowing your paths are clear and getting the string off when you're done.

It's best to replace everything you can while you're in there, because it's not fun even after you've done it a few times.

 

What I did was build the components on a piece of cardboard.. hooked up the pickups running the wires out the F holes.

and then tested various components to see what I liked best.

 

CTS pots are the pots of choice. I think Sprague or Mallorys will do just fine for tone and/or treble bleed caps.

I like to use cloth covered wire. I like to put shrink tube over the very ends of that so they dont have little threads bushing out.

I know my three way switch was crappy.. so I replace that. and a good switchcraft output jack is only.. .75 or 1.00 so why not?

 

I just did a casino and an sg.. so if you want you can buy the parts from me. I solder it all up for free. you can lift it by any wire.

And I'm low priced. you can compare to anyone.

I don't care where you go though. just mentioning it.

 

Changes I like.. first I like to wire for independant volume controls.

that means if you have your switch in the middle position and turn one pickup all the way down.. it wont turn the other one off, as it does with the stock version.

 

Another handy thing is treble bleed capacitors. so when you turn your volume down you don't lose treble, which is really the tone controls job in the first place. You can vary the values here for different bleed points.. frequency at which the trebles are allowed through.

.001uF caps, typical, can be 6600pf or .002uF.. depends on your ears!

 

The keys are measured tight wiring lengths. and really good soldering. pulling the components through with a string is the preferred method of most.. and it can pull a wire loose easy.. those f holes are small. so no piddling around with the solder connections.

 

With it on a card, you can solder the pups right in outside the guitar.. and then assemble.

 

Just use a piece of paper and make holes where all the parts fit.. take the old ones out and lay the paper right on the guitar.

then it will be spaced right. leave a slight curve on each wire.

epi uses cloth covers over groups of wires.. and I prefer to use pieces of old guitar cable.. I pull the wire out and just use the sleeve. cheap cables are thinner and lighter but also harder to get more than two wires in, so I vary depending on how many wires are in them.

 

If you go to CTS pots.. you have to make sure you have knobs that will fit the splines. USA splines are finer than metric (stock epi) so maybe new knobs as well!

 

If you want to know what different caps sound like.. and testing them with your own ear is the ONLY way.. get extras.

they are very cheap. even spragues or mallorys are only 35 cents or less each. you use two for tone and two for treble bleed.

 

A good mini pot is a good pot. With lesser brands you may hit a stinker or two. I test mine for resistance and try to match all four.

they vary.. that is, you may order 500K and get 475K.. or 520K.. most components have a % +/- of variance.. it's just nicer to get them close.

 

I use a small adjustable wrench.. any hardware store has 'em.. I like those because you have far less tendency to slip or scratch the guitar

than pliers or whatever. And since they have different size nuts on guitars.. adjustable is handy for all.

 

 

 

That ought to cover it!

 

TWANG

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I have brooched this subject recently...I bought some mini pots from guitarpartsresource and found out that the shaft was not long enough to go through my dot body. Stew mac advertises the right size 500K minis and I placed an order last night...

 

Twang...nice synopsis! A real nice read!

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They made these in different factorys. mine is a korean samick model, 15 years old.

 

on mine, no way you're going through anywhere but the f holes. you can barely get the wires through anywhere else.

 

But they may have changed, so thanks lost. I should keep that in mind when I'm opening my yap!

 

and thanks Taylor nut.. nice of you to say so.

 

stew mac I thought had a minimum 25.00 order?

so maybe next time try me! *g*

I do have to order them sometimes.. depends on what I have in stock and what you want.

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They made these in different factorys. mine is a korean samick model' date=' 15 years old.

 

on mine, no way you're going through anywhere but the f holes. you can barely get the wires through anywhere else.

 

But they may have changed, so thanks lost. I should keep that in mind when I'm opening my yap!

 

and thanks Taylor nut.. nice of you to say so.

 

stew mac I thought had a minimum 25.00 order?

so maybe next time try me! *g*

I do have to order them sometimes.. depends on what I have in stock and what you want.

 

 

[/quote']

 

Hi on any of the semi-hollows...Dot ,Sheraton,Casino you have to go through the F-holes.....Full hollow bodies like the Emperors etc... you can go through the bridge PUP.

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Will full size pots fit through casino f holes?

I was told they would elsewhere..

god I hope so I just sold a set to a guy.. !!!

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Get a polishing cloth like comes with Dunlop 65 kits, and use pliers to grab the nuts on the pots. Put the cloth over the pots, point the tips of the needle nose pliers down, grab the sides and twist. At worst you can lay the pliers sideways (better bite) but I haven't needed to.

 

As long as you don't tear the cloth or press into the guitar, you'll at worst polish your guitar a bit better breaking the nut. Once you bust a nut, put the pliers AWAY from your workspace (so you don't sit the guitar on them) and unscrew the nut by hand.

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Get a polishing cloth like comes with Dunlop 65 kits' date=' and use pliers to grab the nuts on the pots. Put the cloth over the pots, point the tips of the needle nose pliers down, grab the sides and twist. At worst you can lay the pliers sideways (better bite) but I haven't needed to.

 

As long as you don't tear the cloth or press into the guitar, you'll at worst polish your guitar a bit better breaking the nut. Once you bust a nut, put the pliers AWAY from your workspace (so you don't sit the guitar on them) and unscrew the nut by hand.[/quote']

 

Well......not the way I do it! 2 words...Nut driver! You'll never slip off and scratch anything![-X

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Large pots fit. I rewired my Dot and my Sheraton with full sized pots. They don't just drop in, you have to angle them and play with them, but they will fit.

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Large pots fit. I rewired my Dot and my Sheraton with full sized pots. They don't just drop in' date=' you have to angle them and play with them, but they will fit. [/quote']

 

Really...wow I need to look at this again beacuse I got a bunch of CTS pots at home and thought they were way too big....

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I gave up after a quick check with the sheraton.. but casinos have slightly larger f holes so I took everyone's word they'd fit.

Big Relief, eh Reddog!!

 

I guess it could be done on a sheri.. might have to bend a couple of lugs..

I think I'll stick with minis on the sheri though.. brand new in there and they sound and work just fine.

AND with all that string pulling and various other hassle, easier to get in.

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Large pots fit. I rewired my Dot and my Sheraton with full sized pots. They don't just drop in' date=' you have to angle them and play with them, but they will fit. [/quote']

 

This doesn't apply to the Samick made Sheratons, they have smaller f holes and full sized pots won't fit. Well they didn't in mine.

As TWANG stated, mini pots with 3/8" bushings are the way to go.

 

....or you can sand the holes to make 'em bigger :D

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I have an Unsung Korean Sheraton, the F holes in it may be a little larger than in the Samick Sheratons, I dunno. The F holes are smaller in my Sherry than in my Dot, no doubt, and it was a little more of a challenge. I did take full sized pots out of my Sherry when I replaced them though.

 

The smaller pots would definitely be easier to work with though. When I was doing this several months ago I got quite a bit of advise here to use the larger pots and not the smaller ones, I really don't remember why. But that advise was for my Dot and not my Sherry.

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When some one actually figures this out, please let me know. In a couple of months I want Twang to do a replacement setup for me with push pull pots and I would go with full size as in my experience they have a more gradual roll off of the treble throughout the range. IME, there is a quick cut off in the minis I've tried in the past.

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I'll see if I can get a push pull in my sheraton.. and full size pots as well..

otherwise I'll see if I can find you a CTS mini or a value/modification that will give you smooth operation.

 

I need to become an epi dealer, then I can have all these guitars in stock for customers.

 

customer baloney.. for me. *G*

 

TWANG

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I'll see if I can get a push pull in my sheraton.. and full size pots as well..

otherwise I'll see if I can find you a CTS mini or a value/modification that will give you smooth operation.

 

I need to become an epi dealer' date=' then I can have all these guitars in stock for customers.

 

customer baloney.. for me. *G*

 

TWANG[/quote']

 

Thanks Twang, you're the best - We Samick Sherry owners got to stick together LOL ! Oh - pm me on the cost for the tusq nut for the Sherry THX - John

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S4114391

is my no. I think that's 1991.

 

 

a push pull will not slide upright inside the guitar. it's about 1 1/16th too tall.

a full size pot will not go in the f holes at all on mine. no amount of bending anything would do it.

 

 

you maybe could use a push pull, because you could slide it in at an angle and that angle MIGHT NOT be too steep to start in in the pot hole.

but it would be close!

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S4114391

is my no. I think that's 1991.

 

 

a push pull will not slide upright inside the guitar. it's about 1 1/16th too tall.

a full size pot will not go in the f holes at all on mine. no amount of bending anything would do it.

 

 

you maybe could use a push pull' date=' because you could slide it in at an angle and that angle MIGHT NOT be too steep to start in in the pot hole.

but it would be close!

 

 

[/quote']Twang, Mine is a 95 but I would imagine the holes are pretty close. being made in the same factory but I'll measure the f-holes a little later and post the measurements. No one makes a mini that's push/pull, do they ? Maybe I'll have to go with switches or maybe a rotary? I'll have to think about it.

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the push pull is small enough. just too tall.

You could cut the shaft down. I've done that with pots and had no problem. knobs will still fit fine.

the pot is not full size on my push pull.

 

also, by the time you slide it up to the hole.. the arch is starting pretty strong and it may well slide right in with no mods.

I just didn't want to gut blondy to see!

But, come to think of it.. I guess I can pop off the guard and fish it up there on a strong wire and that should tell me.

I'll give it a crack!

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