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I'm considering buying a Casino, and was trying to decide whether to buy the standard $599 Casino and maybe upgrade the electrics or spend the bigger bucks on the Elitist? The construction/craftsmanship of the standard model seems very good, though the jacks and pots are often loose when I pick one up at GC. Is the Elitist worth more than twice the price?

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If you can afford the Elitist, that's the way to go! Nothing wrong with the others, but the Elitist is

the most accurate (without the Nitro paint job) shape, and appointments, to the Kalamazoo models.

Their poly finish is thin, too...plus the woods and electronics are first rate! You'd never be sorry, I'm

quite sure!

 

CB

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I have both elitist and the MIk with bigsby. I just finished upgrades to my MIK. despite the better sounding American

P90's, new tuners, bridge, and knobs- the finish and wood quality on the elitist can't be matched.

Go with the Elitist- even if it means waiting a while...

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One thing to think about.

 

Resale. You can take a MIK and upgrade everything. I'm talking pots, nut, bridge, switch, jacks, pups, machines and everything that's not glued down. I did all that plus a bigsby. I got mine for $500 off fleabay. So I took a leap. It's a nicely made peerless. I figure I have about $350 into this guitar which brings me up to $850 with the bigsby. Could I get $850 for this guitar? Probably not. You wouldn't lose as much on an Elitist.

 

 

That being said, I would put this guitar up against any Elitist. I have a '67 335 and while structurally these guitars differ (with the center block in the 335) they are very comparable in playability and quality. Adding premium electronics, pickups, nut/bridge and the bigsby make all the difference. It sounds fabulous. The Kent Armstrong Pickups are magic and a huge upgrade from the stock ones. 'm sure that tone wood makes a difference. But it's not that huge of a difference. and if you plug into an amp and play, it's even less. I'm sure to incite a riot here with the tone wood efficionados here but that's my opinion.

 

I'm not planning on selling this thing. I love this guitar and so does anyone whose played it. I come from a long line of guitar players and they are all amazed at the quality of the Korean made Casino.

 

FWIW.

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If you can live with the regular Casino 'as is' then that's the way to go. However the fact that you are already thinking about upgrades to the electronics indicates that perhaps the Elitist would be the wiser choice in the long run. I went the same route with an Epi Dot which I dumped like a rotten potato once I got a chance to try an Elitist. However the difference between the Dots is more pronounced due to the differing center block materials (maple vs lauan); in the case of the Casino the 'wood tone' will be more similar since they are both plywood, although the Elitist will be made of a finer grade of plywood and will have a thinner polyurethane finish compared to the regular Casino's thick polyester encapsulation. You also get better neck (genuine mahogany) and fingerboard material on the Elitist and the overall workmanship is better.

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I would love to be able to afford a Elitist Csino Unfrotunatley out of my reach @ the moment and don't come across them much here in the Uk. Bought my MIK 06 Casino off ebay sent from Us marked as Used but got it @ a Fair price worked out at £250 GB pounds so compared to £550 was well happy. Have sinced changed the Pu to Kent Armstrongs , Tuners to Genuine Klusons replaced the Bigsby to a Nickel Trapieze and most recentley the Bridged to a Gotho prob spent a extra £200 on it but I am very pleased with it now. Still would get a Elitist or better still a original 60's model if my lottery numbers come in. One question if any one can help why do they use Groovers on the Elistist I personaly think they don't quite look right on the Casino If they are going for the original spec thought Klusons would be fitted?

Respect to you all

Mark

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G'day Mate,

 

I recently bought a MIK (U) casino new and whilst I love her to bits I was disappointed to hear from a luthier that 4 of the frets were lifting and had to be removed and reseated. I know that it was my inexperience (always learning) that allowed me to buy a guitar in this condition but my point is that current Epi quality aint always that flash. Even the much vaunted "EE" guitars can have some problems, however they still represent terrific value and are items of beauty, especially the casino.

 

I am envious of you with prices of $599 though as the best I could do here in Oz was $980, however had Elitists been available in this country I would have saved for longer and gotten my dream guitar first off! Sorry to all of you modders as I haven't got the temperament to keep fixing and changing things, I would rather pay more money and get it right the first time.

 

OK no Elitists here but we have got vegemite, meat pies and Australian Rules footie so it aint all bad!

 

Have a good'n

 

 

Dig

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Another consideration might be how much you intend to use the Casino. If it's going to be your main guitar, or one of them, the enhanced qualities of the Elitist will make all the more difference. For me, the Casino isn't a mainstay, but rather an "occasional seasoning," so my 2001 Peerless MIK is completely satisfactory. It plays and sounds great and adds a different set of tonal colors than the guitars I play most often. It would be hard for me to justify the cost of an Elitist for the amount I actually play the Casino, when the MIK (great deal used on eBay!) does what I want it to for a third of the cost.

 

But if I were playing the Casino as a main guitar, I'd be all over an Elitist!

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I'm very happy with my 2001 Peerless MIK Casino, it's every bit as nice a guitar for gigging as my 1970 Gibson ES-330.

 

However the previous owner of my Casino changed the switch and potentiometers, with USA parts ... the tuners were changed to Grovers (not a necessity IMHO), and I figure since the previous owner did all that he/she may have changed the pickups (I am not sure how to tell, and I don't want to take my gigging axe apart anyway).

 

I use the Casino on stage so that my ES-330 doesn't get beat up while I change instruments to sax, flute, or wind synthesizer. It sounds every bit as good as my 330 plugged in, the neck is just as nice, and if I ding it, it's only a frown, not a tear.

 

I play the Gibson at home, especially when I practice unplugged. Because of the better wood, different finish, nylon saddles or whatever magic the boys in Kalamazoo put into it, the 330 sounds better unplugged than the Casino.

 

I've also never owned an Elitist, but I cannot imagine it would be any better a guitar than my Gibson ES-330.

 

As mentioned the Elitist's tend to have better resale value - if that is an issue for you.

 

You might want to think about where you are going to play your guitar and how vulnerable it will be to damage, how much resale value is to you, whether or not you want to upgrade the MIK Casino (I hear the switch on those guitars are the weakest link - but I don't it is think that difficult to change), and how much the prestige of owning the Elitist means to you.

 

If I were going to play it at home, I'd probably go for the Elitist, but to take on the gig, the upgraded MIK Casino is my first choice - YMMV.

 

Insights and incites by Notes

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I thank all of you for your insightful responses. It sounds like either Casino model would be a good choice. Being a certified Beatles fanatic, the unique sound of the Casino is the most important consideration for me. I'm leaning toward the Elitist, too bad it isn't offered in cherry color. I never cared much for the vintage sunburst, but JGLongbeach, your modded burst looks truly classic, very cool. The black parts are perfect with the dark burst color. I'll pull the trigger and empty my wallet soon, and will report back. Digger, I've wondered for a long time about this Vegemite stuff, is it as horrible to you as Spam is to me, or is it good stuff?

Thanks again for your comments and advice.

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I thank all of you for your insightful responses. It sounds like either Casino model would be a good choice. Being a certified Beatles fanatic' date=' the unique sound of the Casino is the most important consideration for me. I'm leaning toward the Elitist, too bad it isn't offered in cherry color. I never cared much for the vintage sunburst, but JGLongbeach, your modded burst looks truly classic, very cool. The black parts are perfect with the dark burst color. I'll pull the trigger and empty my wallet soon, and will report back. Digger, I've wondered for a long time about this Vegemite stuff, is it as horrible to you as Spam is to me, or is it good stuff?

Thanks again for your comments and advice. [/quote']

 

G'day Eldorado,

 

Which ever casino you go for it will be a wonderful guitar....I can't leave mine alone and my other girls are jealous!

 

Vegemite? You've NEVER HAD Vegemite? OMG! Horrible? No Way! Manna from the heavens but unfortunately it's too good for people other than "dinkie di" Aussies. If you eat it in the northern hemisphere where the water goes down the wrong way your hair will probably fall out! I know that you will be devastated to hear this but someone had to tell you.

 

Have a good'n mate.

 

Dig

 

P.S. If you come down here to visit we might let you have a little taste.

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Pulled the trigger this week, should have the new Casino next week. Ordered the standard model in cherry. Just couldn't justify the added cost of the Elitist at this time. But from the comments all of you provided I expect I'll be happy with my choice.

Eldorado

 

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Another consideration might be how much you intend to use the Casino. If it's going to be your main guitar' date=' or one of them, the enhanced qualities of the Elitist will make all the more difference. For me, the Casino isn't a mainstay, but rather an "occasional seasoning," so my 2001 Peerless MIK is completely satisfactory. It plays and sounds great and adds a different set of tonal colors than the guitars I play most often. It would be hard for me to justify the cost of an Elitist for the amount I actually play the Casino, when the MIK (great deal used on eBay!) does what I want it to for a third of the cost.

 

But if I were playing the Casino as a main guitar, I'd be all over an Elitist![/quote']

 

Same here. My Casinos are not my main guitars but I like them and play them at home becuase John had one. If your main guitar then the Elitist. If not I did an A/B with my MIK burst, an Elitist and the Lennon when a store had both of them. The Lennon was the best, mine not too far off the Elitist. Not enough to dump mine and buy that.

 

My burst has a smaller neck than my natural and stronger PUs even though same factory as my natural.

 

My red Peerless was the best of my 2 but I didn't want 3 Casinos. My natural is really nice looking but not as good sounding or playing. My burst has an orange dot by one of the pots under the finish and a PU housing that was not stamped right so it leaves a gap.

 

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