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Please don't take this the wrong way but why in the world would you want to? The minis are what give the Sheraton its unique sound. The Sheraton II is a great guitar on its own if you want regular HBs. Don't screw up the Elitist (said as one who owns the II).

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ditto to that, big-time. Don't replace the minis in the elitist (as was said, that's what gives it the mojo). Buy an S2 if you want the hums or just buy a dot. If you've got the cash, buy an elitist dot (which is really nothing more than a Sheraton without the bling and regular hums instead of minis).

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Actually, "Sheraton II" initially refered to the original (USA) version with a "Stop" tailpiece.

The original Sheraton had the frequensator, or (sometimes) Epi's vibrato tailpiece.

So, all the Korean Sheraton's, of late, are Sheraton II's, but not because of the

Full Size Humbuckers. There were a few Sheraton's with Frequensator tailpieces, and full size

humbuckers made in Japan/Korea, early on. As well as some "special editions," I believe.

 

CB

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I have to agree with the others here and I would not change out the pickups on my Sheraton. If you want an Elitist thinline Hollowbody with HBs you'll have to get the Dot. You can't go wrong with one of those and if you can have both well gripes, you'll be in heaven! Hi Tulsa, I wouldn't say that the Dot and Sheraton are the same though. The Necks felt very different to me but that could have been a normal guitar<-->guitar variation. I don't know if they are spec'ed differently at the plant.

SVet

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I'm also failing to get the concept of why you would not want to do that and just not get the Elitist Dot instead. Why not just get a stock Shari and upgrade the PUs?

 

Just my opinion. You don't need our permission/approval to do anything. If you want to do that and it makes you happy then do it. It just seems like a lot of effort when you can go an easier route.

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Svet, I know you're right about those necks. I've never played a Sherry elitist but hear that they have a marvelous slim neck. The only Sherry II I played was in a GC & I thought it was a great guitar (and it seemed to have a thinner neck than the dot).

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I have what is essentially the same (Elitist Sheraton) guitar (but the Assembled in USA version), with the nitro finish.

I would NOT change the pickups, at all! They're very articulate, and biting, too...in a good way. The neck pickup is

especially nice, not tending to be as "brown/muddy" as some full size humbuckers can be. And, with a bit of tone

knob adjustment, you can get that fuller sound, if you need to. So...I'd keep 'em! But, that's just me!

 

CB

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As another Sheraton II owner, I have no clue why you would consider this. At least in this area you could get a used S II for about $150 more than a set of Gibson pups !

 

Svet, I have either played and/or owned several Sheratons and Dots and IME, the Sherry necks were always slimmer than any Dot I've played or owned. That's the primary reason I've never hung on to any of my Dots. While I like the guitars, I'm not fond of the louisville slugger necks !

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It's within the realm of possibility that, somewhere down the line, an Elitist Sheraton could be worth a fair amount... unless some bozo has hacked out the body to fit a pair of full-sized humbuckers in it. It's one thing to hack up a MIK/MIC Epiphone but an Elitist is a real guitar.

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i think some of you didn't understand my (unclear) post: i already have a sheraton ii with a winning pup combo in it. i love it a lot, but sometimes wonder how the other side (elitist) lives. but i want my 5pc maple neck, too. its awesome once you know how to work with the brightness, and you are sure to stand out in a two guitar band. it is warm but still cuts through. a sheraton with a hog neck is just a fancy dot to me, pickups aside. and i do a lot of higher gain stuff, so i'd want regular hums, and i'm pretty happy with the pup combo i have now. thought about a dot, but it has a hog neck, too.

 

how much better can the elitist version possibly be, anyway? with a hardware/electronics/pick up swap, it has to be pretty close, right? my sheraton sounds pretty good acoustically- even has some overtones kicking in. :)

 

well, i am a little curious about the minis... but if i had to have a new elitist, i think i'd want a p90'd riviera. i don't want anything too similar to what i already have. and they are pretty.

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' date=' i think i'd want a p90'd riviera. i don't want anything too similar to what i already have. and they are pretty.[/quote']

 

Now that I would say check out the Valensi Riviera in the standard line now. I have the Elitist Valensi, 335 Satin, and a standard line Riviera. All very different guitars. The Valensi has P94s which are the HB sized P90s the solid body/ block does make it very unlike a Casino which I have too.

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I own two elitist dots & am a hater of fat necks and a lover of thin necks. That said, I don't find the elitist dot necks to be fat at all. As a matter of fact, my elitist dot necks are no bigger than the 'slim taper' neck on my Gibson LP DC Pro.

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i would consider my sherry neck to be fat and kinda wide, but maybe i'm wrong. i've certainly played thinner, that's for sure.

 

anyhow, the more i look at the elitist sherry the less worse of an idea it looks... i know these things are a whole different ballgame (especially sonically), but could i concieveably make my sheraton roughly the same qualitywise? quality being the big ambigious, i know. but with new hardware, new electronics and maybe a plekking, how close would i be to the elitist version? curious! never seen an elitist in stores around here so i'm counting on you guys. thanks.

 

what's the difference between the casino and the valensi? just p90s vs p94s and hollow vs semi? do the 90s and 94s sound similar?

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what's the difference between the casino and the valensi? just p90s vs p94s and hollow vs semi? do the 90s and 94s sound similar?

 

The Casino has a warmer tone to it and less sustain. The Valensi sounds like a very good clear 335. Very articulate but pushed can get the P90 growl or bark. No feedback issues on the Valensi.

 

It is hard to describe a sound. At band pratice I play through my Dual Showman or Traynor Blue. We have a heavy drummer so we pratice at a volume most bands would not. When I have tried my Casino at pratice and loud volume it gets fuzzy and out of focus. My bandmate uses an Epiphone LP with P90s through an AC30.

 

The Valsnsi stays more articulate loud. I stick with my 335 or SG with HBs for this band as the HBs give both Jeff and myself distinctive sounds or voices.

 

I'm sorry I can't do better to describe the difference between my Casinos and my Valensi. If anyone here has a Riviera with the Duncan minis it is a sound close to that. I upgraded my Riviera to the Duncans and the Valensi has that very clear 335 tone but with some P90 bite. The Casino and Valensi are different guitars.

 

The best way to describe by song is that the Casino is good for "Nowhere Man" (I know the recording was strats) but not good for "Girl Like You" type power chords you get the Revolution warm fizzy type distortion. The Valensi can do 'Girl Like You" power chords without losing its cutting edge/definition.

 

Sorry I tried my best to describe them. Hope it helps.

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