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i like it. a lot.

 

this is my first high end guitar and i'm proud. the more i play it, the more i understand it and can pick out the differences between this and previous guitars. it weighs almost exactly the same as my sheraton ii, 9.2 lbs, which i understand to be skinny (but not svelte) for an lp. my previous was pushing 11 lbs, so i really notice the difference.

 

this is my first time really sitting down and getting to know a high end (we can call it that, right?) guitar, and i'm noticing things i've never noticed before, so i wanted to ask you guys. the guitar has, as far as i can tell, all the stock electronics, set up in standard tuning with 10s (not my thing, as i'll get to later).

 

this guitar has a certain "sweetness"... a natural sustain that gives into vibrato and a musical harmonic feedback. where does that come from? i'm playing at lower volumes for now, and even at lower gain settings, i can still hear it. bear in mind i usually play at least a whole step down with 12s or greater, so it definately feels different. but what is causing it? the pickups? the long tenon? pots/caps? fresh, lighter strings? or could it be that i'm finally playing a real guitar? this was all guitar straight into amp, no effects at all.

 

owning a sheraton ii already, i had intended to make this my rock/metal guitar, and maybe try some higher output pickups in it to achieve that end, and cover the most amount of ground in the opposite direction of my sheraton (with "cleaner" pickups installed). now i certainly need to explore more to find the ideal amp settings for the lp, but it currently isn't as "heavy" as i had hoped. but i'm loving what it does at low/med/med-high gain settings, and i don't want to jeopardize that "sweetness" i mentioned earlier. thoughts? i like to keep things simple and hope to avoid boosting for now.

 

secondly, are all elitists this damn good? the crazy, "sell everything off and get another elitist or two" bug is starting to germinate in the back of my head. i love my sheraton, but man... maybe that's a post for another day. guess it is a good thing i don't know of any elitist dealers in the area. never seen on in gc or sam ash.

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it weighs almost exactly the same as my sheraton ii' date=' 9.2 lbs, which i understand to be skinny (but not svelte) for an lp. my previous was pushing 11 lbs, so i really notice the difference.[/quote']

That's a little heavy for an Elitist. Mine is 8.5 lbs.

 

this guitar has a certain "sweetness"... a natural sustain that gives into vibrato and a musical harmonic feedback. where does that come from? i'm playing at lower volumes for now' date=' and even at lower gain settings, i can still hear it. bear in mind i usually play at least a whole step down with 12s or greater, so it definately feels different. but what is causing it? the pickups? the long tenon? pots/caps? fresh, lighter strings? or could it be that i'm finally playing a real guitar? this was all guitar straight into amp, no effects at all.[/quote']

You're finding out about the difference real mahogany and a solid maple cap makes.

 

owning a sheraton ii already' date=' i had intended to make this my rock/metal guitar, and maybe try some higher output pickups in it to achieve that end, and cover the most amount of ground in the opposite direction of my sheraton (with "cleaner" pickups installed). now i certainly need to explore more to find the ideal amp settings for the lp, but it currently isn't as "heavy" as i had hoped. but i'm loving what it does at low/med/med-high gain settings, and i don't want to jeopardize that "sweetness" i mentioned earlier. thoughts? i like to keep things simple and hope to avoid boosting for now.[/quote']

Burstbucker Pros seem to do a lot for the Les Paul. The Elitist pickups, basically a 490R/498T combo, are more brittle sounding. BB Pros are 'meatier'.

 

secondly' date=' are all elitists this damn good?[/quote']

Yes.

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well, coming from what i came from, i'll take 9.2 for the time being. i always thought my sheraton was pretty substantial for a semihollow. turns out its les paul substantial. :)

 

so all that magical goodness is wood alone? so if i were to swap out the pups, i'd change the tone, of course, but that quality would remain?

 

not that i've played either, but looking at the numbers, the elitist bridge weighs in at 13.8k ohms and the bb bridge clocks in at 8.8k ohms. so although they aren't as hot as the 60st, they are meatier? you mean as in the pups inherent eq? i always go back and forth about whether i want hotter or more paf style pups. i always want a little more "oomph"/"meat", but hotter pups seem to add more fizz than anything. but again, i need to get back to my standard whole step down tuning and my 12s to get a more fair assessment. it's kinda strange to have strings that don't fight back.

 

that said, i kinda like the pickups that are in there now. they are very responsive to both the knobs and my right hand. although i'm not quite happy yet with the super heaviest of metals, i can go from say, ccr to zep to skynyrd to sabbath without touching my amp. sometimes not even flicking the switch. that's pretty damn cool. i guess i can see your point about brittle, though, but that only applies to the heaviest of stuff for now.

 

Yes.

you won't be happy until i buy an elitist sheraton and dot and switch the necks, will you? enabler! [-X

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so all that magical goodness is wood alone? so if i were to swap out the pups' date=' i'd change the tone, of course, but that quality would remain?[/quote']

Yup.

 

i kinda like the pickups that are in there now. they are very responsive to both the knobs and my right hand. although i'm not quite happy yet with the super heaviest of metals' date=' i can go from say, ccr to zep to skynyrd to sabbath without touching my amp. sometimes not even flicking the switch. that's pretty damn cool. i guess i can see your point about brittle, though, but that only applies to the heaviest of stuff for now.[/quote']

Nothing wrong with the stock pickups. A lot of it is personal. Since I already had the Eltist '61 SG with the 50SR/60ST, I swapped my Les Paul's pickups for a pair of Seymour Duncans, a JB and a '59. Different, but not necessarily 'better':

eliteLP2.jpg

 

 

you won't be happy until i buy an elitist sheraton and dot and switch the necks' date=' will you? enabler! [-X [/quote']

The thing I noticed about the Elitist Dot was that it has a maple center block while the regular Dot has a Philippine 'mahogany' center block. The Elitist is definitely better sounding than the regular Dot.

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i have a pair of alnico 2 pros in a lp special ii and love them (in that guitar, at the time). have a jb/jazz combo in a guitar i'm trying to sell to help offset the cost of the new elitist and i don't think i like them in that guitar (all hog semi). it sounds like a les paul that feeds back easier, and i wanted something way different, which the sheraton gave me. the jb/jazz was way too "rock" in that guitar, but maybe that's what i want...

 

love the sd site because i can see each pups eq and hear a the same clip in the same guitar, which lets me hear the difference between the pups, not just a sample of what it could sound like. i find that much more valuable. for a guitar this good, i don't think i'm willing to roll the dice on some more gfs pups since i don't install them myself, and i want to do it right the first time. so i think i'll sit and ponder for now.

 

no, i meant an elitist sheraton neck on an elitist dot body. because you guys won't let me put full size buckers on it, and i'm not looking for bite from that guitar. i want exactly what i get from my current sheraton, but built to elitist standards of awesomeness. and i have a strange pickup combo in there that is really working for me.

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My Elitist LP is around 8.5 lbs also. I agree that the wood and construction make the difference between a standard Epi and the Elitists. With that, the stock Elitist pickups are much better IMO than standard Epi pickups even though I also chose to replace mine.

 

With that, I would recommend getting to know the guitar before planning on replacing pickups and such. Sometimes you need to get to know the instrument a little bit before you understand how to coax the sugar out of it. Sometimes not... Of course it's up to you.

 

I find my Elitist is always a joy to play. I have replaced the pickups and installed PIO Caps and it's pretty much the way I want it now. The pickups were an effort to take the tone towards a more "vintage" direction. IMO, the stock pickups are fine. Actually the stock neck pickup is great. I just didn't like the stock bridge pickup. You may be able to get by with just replacing that one.

 

enjoy! :)/

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i like it. a lot.

secondly' date=' are all elitists this damn good?

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If I won the lottery, I'd buy one of each of every Elitist (except the crazy signature models like Twister Sister). I wouldn't consider anything else. Not only are they superb quality, they are set up perfectly when they arrive.

 

My only regret is that so many Elitists were discontinued, that some of the current ones are goofy, and that there isn't an Elitist Lucille, an Elitist SG, an Elitist AlleyKat, or an Elitist Robert Johnson flattop acoustic in sunburst. Oh, and I regret that I haven't won the lottery.

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yeah, i'm going to sit on it for a little while. i know i need to get my string gauge and tuning first, and since one of the inlays is popping out, maybe i'll take it in for a setup and have a better idea of where to go from there.

 

 

If I won the lottery' date=' I'd buy one of each of every Elitist (except the crazy signature models like Twister Sister). I wouldn't consider anything else. Not only are they superb quality, they are set up perfectly when they arrive.

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you must tell me all about your byrdland. i'm very curious about the small scale, though i (think) i'd much rather have a big box, seeing as how i already have a thinline in my sheraton. i am also 80% sure that i don't need a casino, except maybe for the cleanest of cleans, but i don't twang. but you can talk about that one, too, if you like. ;)

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That'd be the Faded Cherry burst' date=' my friend.[/quote']

 

the Epi Elitist, correct?

 

feel like posting more pics? O:) i plan to buy one but have been leaning toward getting the Vintage sunburst but yours looks beautiful

 

thanks

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Nope. It plays and sounds even better than it looks. As a buddhist would say, it 'has the Les Paul nature'. I had some problems with the switch so the distributor sent me a Gibson unit under warranty; I also changed the tuners to nickel units and the bridge is an Allparts piece with the brass saddles. I've got Duncans in it now but I may try a set of Burstbucker pros some day... after I finish paying off the new SG.

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Nope. It plays and sounds even better than it looks. As a buddhist would say' date=' it 'has the Les Paul nature'. I had some problems with the switch so the distributor sent me a Gibson unit under warranty; I also changed the tuners to nickel units and the bridge is an Allparts piece with the brass saddles. I've got Duncans in it now but I may try a set of Burstbucker pros some day... after I finish paying off the new SG.[/quote']

 

what didnt you like about the stock pickups. i use to own a stock Gibson SG Standard and a MIM Strat, so i use those as my reference when i chat with someone.

 

thanks

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Eor, it's very cool that you like your new guitar so much. That's the feeling that keeps all the guitar comapnies alive, and keeps our check books empty. You've made me want to go to GC and try one.

 

However, I've never heard of Epiphone Elitists until I started reading this forum. If I walk into a GC, how do I know the difference between an elitist and a regular Epi? The price tag?

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what didnt you like about the stock pickups. i use to own a stock Gibson SG Standard and a MIM Strat' date=' so i use those as my reference when i chat with someone.

 

thanks [/quote']

Nothing really wrong with the stock pickups; it's just that I had this pair of Seymour Duncans kicking around, and since I already have the Elitist SG with the 50SR/60ST I figured it'd be fun to have a different tone out of the LP. Not better; just different..

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the biggest difference is the rounded headstock. also, the truss rod cover should say "elitist" and there should be a little elitist logo behind the headstock, where it meets the body. and it should be way more expensive than a regular epi. and it sounds like magic.

 

when i go into stores now, i head for the gibson/epiphone section look for rounded headstocks. :D

 

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-Elitist-Les-Paul-Standard-Plus-Electric-Guitar?sku=518401

 

re: the pups- i'm finding that the bridge is a little hot (fizzy) and thin for my tastes, depending on where i am in relation to my cab. that said, i can cop all kinds of classic tones (60s-70s) with it, and if that's what you're going for, it should suffice just fine. pretty pleased with the neck, and there is a huge difference between the two. don't really like the middle position too much, i think the bridge overpowers the neck and it doesn't sound that much different than the bridge alone, unless you really dial something in with the vol/tone knobs.

 

one thing to note that i can't confirm (but suspect) would be that the thinner, brighter sounding bridge pickup would probably sound great in a full band setting with a bass supporting the low end. should cut through pretty well and be pretty clear. so while i'd love a meatier sound jamming at home alone, on the stage or in the studio, the thinner sound might be easier to work with. something to consider.

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Nothing really wrong with the stock pickups; it's just that I had this pair of Seymour Duncans kicking around' date=' and since I already have the Elitist SG with the 50SR/60ST I figured it'd be fun to have a different tone out of the LP. Not better; just different..[/quote']

 

i see, thanks.....

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Thanks for the link to the Elitist. I went to GC earlier tonight and they had no idea what an Elitist is' date=' And they didn't have any in stock. I like that headstock.[/quote']

 

the GC near me doesnt stock them, bet its becasue they compete with the Gibson LP Studio, maybe even the Gibson LP Standard :-#

 

read this, Elitist LP review... http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/epiphone-les-paul/jan-06/16870

 

video review... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxBNQHj4D-A

 

i plan on getting the Faded Cherry :D/

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Eor' date=' it's very cool that you like your new guitar so much. That's the feeling that keeps all the guitar comapnies alive, and keeps our check books empty. You've made me want to go to GC and try one.

 

However, I've never heard of Epiphone Elitists until I started reading this forum. If I walk into a GC, how do I know the difference between an elitist and a regular Epi? The price tag?

 

 

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the Elitist has a headstock that looks like this...

 

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and the back says Elitist like this...

 

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heres the Vintage Sunburst and the Faded Cherry Sunburst tho the Vintage is a crappy pic so you can barely see the flametop

 

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