iansmitchell Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Masonite is sawdust and glue. Note that some early Telecasters were made of pine. Oh, so closer to MDF than plywood? And I knew that. Leo fender picked woods on price NOT tone. People think alder's so great, that's just luck of the draw by leo. But thanks for bringing the info to the rest of the forum. P.S. Wouldn't it be either an esquire or broadcaster if it was an early telecaster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotcanX Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 It was only a Broadcaster for about a year. They changed it to Telecaster in 1951. Which meant you got a lot of 1951 'Nocasters' while they waited for the new decals to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpiEric Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 It was only a Broadcaster for about a year. They changed it to Telecaster in 1951. Which meant you got a lot of 1951 'Nocasters' while they waited for the new decals to be made. It wasn't even called Broadcaster for that long. They changed to the Broadcaster name in November of 1950 (previously it was the Esquire, then the single pickup model remained Esquire while two pickup became Broadcaster) and Nocasters, like you said, were being shipped by mid '51. I've always heard the reason for the "Nocaster" was mainly that Leo was really cheap and never wanted to waste anything, so he just snipped "Broadcaster" off the decals, leaving just "Fender" to use up the existing ones before using new ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carverman Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I've always heard the reason for the "Nocaster" was mainly that Leo was really cheap and never wanted to waste anything' date=' so he just snipped "Broadcaster" off the decals, leaving just "Fender" to use up the existing ones before using new ones.[/quote'] from what I read on this subject, Gret*sch had a set of drums called "Broadcaster" and they "could have" put some pressure on Leo to "refrain" from using that specific name...something to do with trademark violations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I hate to hammer my point home or beat the proverbial dead horse but... Unfortunately I couldn't quote Latin off the top of my head and had to look up some expert-(re-)sources including a live one. That's why it took a little longer. Here is the scientific and true classification for Meliaceae or the Mahogany family. I have only included familiar species. There are a few other species or genuses producing timber. Not sure if they're suitable for instruments though. Note how the Philippine or Indonesian Mahogany is very much included in the Mahogany-family. Now the Philippine Mahogany designation as often used by the US timber or lumber trade is false(we're only in it for the money) and will often include the famed Lauan/Luan and Meranti(regardless of it being the red or white variety)which are species of the Shorea genus of the Dipterocarpaceae family. Hope this helps in adding to the confusion. :-) Kingdom Plantae – Plants }Subkingdom Tracheobionta – Vascular plants -}Superdivision Spermatophyta – Seed plants --}Division Magnoliophyta – Flowering plants ---}Class Magnoliopsida – Dicotyledons ----}Subclass Rosidae -----}Order Sapindales ------}Family Meliaceae – Mahogany family -------}Genus Aglaia Lour -------}Genus Aphanamixis -------}Genus Azadirachta -------}Genus Carapa -------}Genus Cedrela -------}-------}Species Cedrela fissilis -------}-------}Species Cedrela hirsuta -------}-------}Species Cedrela huberi -------}-------}Species Cedrela lilloi -------}-------}Species Cedrela montana -------}-------}Species Cedrela odorata(Cedro Hembra) Your sigarbox/humidor! -------}-------}Species Cedrela salvadorensis -------}-------}Species Cedrela tonduzii -------}Genus Dysoxylum Blume -------}Genus Entandrophragma -------}Genus Guarea Allam -------}Genus Khaya – African mahogany -------}-------}Species Khaya anthotheca – Nyasaland mahogany -------}-------}Species Khaya senegalensis – Senegal mahogany -------}Genus Lansium Corrêa -------}Genus Melia -------}Genus Sandoricum -------}Genus Swietenia – mahogany -------}-------}Species Swietenia macrophylla King – Honduras mahogany -------}-------}Species Swietenia mahagoni – West Indian mahogany -------}-------}Species Swietenia humilis - Pacific Coast Mahogany -------}Genus Toona – Red Cedar sometimes included in Cedrela genus -------}(note: this has NOTHING to do with Cedar/Cedrus used for acoustic tops, which is a genus of the family of Pinaceae) -------}-------}Species Toona calantas - Kalantas or Philippine Mahogany -------}-------}Species Toona ciliata (australis) - Australian Red Cedar, Toon, Suren or Indian Mahogany -------}-------}Species Toona febrifuga - Vietnam Mahogany -------}-------}Species Toona sinensis - Chinese Mahogany or Chinese Toon -------}-------}Species Toona sureni - Suren or Indonesian Mahogany -------}Genus Trichilia -------}Genus Xylocarpus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookelputz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Species Toona sureni - Suren or Indonesian Mahogany Well, some of the guitars I've seen made of this stuff sure smelled like toona! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbirchett Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I have heard that large stands of the Honduran variety of Mahogany are being grown on the island of Fiji. These are under control of the government of Fiji and due to instability, very little has been harvested. This might be a great source! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookelputz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I have heard that large stands of the Honduran variety of Mahogany are being grown on the island of Fiji. These are under control of the government of Fiji and due to instability' date=' very little has been harvested. This might be a great source![/quote'] Some of the things I've heard recently make me think Fiji maybe isn't the best place to invest right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Species Toona sureni - Suren or Indonesian Mahogany Well' date=' some of the guitars I've seen made of this stuff sure smelled like toona! [/quote'] Hehehe... so is that like the fish, or just fish-y? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookelputz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Hehehe... so is that like the fish' date=' or just fish-y?[/quote'] I think you hit that one on both of its pointy little heads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 [Edited] Classification for Meliaceae or the Mahogany family. The family consists of approx. 50 genera and 550 species. I have only mentioned familiar Species and Genera or the ones with high economic viability. No surprise all of these are on the IUCN-redlist of endangered species. There are a few other Species or Genera producing timber. Not sure if they're suitable for instruments though they seem to do well in furniture. Note how the Philippine or Indonesian Mahogany is very much included in the Mahogany-family. The Philippine Mahogany designation as often used incorrectly by the US timber or lumber trade(we're only in it for the money) will often include the famed Lauan/Luan and Meranti(regardless of it being the red or white variety)which are species of the Shorea genus of the Dipterocarpaceae family. Hope this helps in adding to the confusion. :-) Kingdom Plantae – Plants }Subkingdom Tracheobionta – Vascular plants -}Superdivision Spermatophyta – Seed plants --}Division Magnoliophyta – Flowering plants ---}Class Magnoliopsida – Dicotyledons ----}Subclass Rosidae -----}Order Sapindales ------}Family Meliaceae – Mahogany family -------}Genus Aglaia Lour -------}Genus Aphanamixis -------}Genus Azadirachta -------}-------}Species Azadirachta indica(syn. Melia azadirachta) - Neem(Neem oil is taken as a method of birth control or used as a spermicide to prevent STDs. See Swietenia!) -------}Genus Carapa -------}Genus Cedrela -------}-------}Species Cedrela odorata(Cedro Hembra) Your sigarbox/humidor! -------}Genus Dysoxylum Blume -------}Genus Entandrophragma -------}-------}Species Entandrophragma cylindricum - Sapele -------}-------}Species Entandrophragma utile - Utile or Sipo -------}Genus Guarea Allam -------}Genus Khaya – African mahogany -------}-------}Species Khaya grandifoliola -------}-------}Species Khaya ivorensis - Ivory Coast mahogany -------}-------}Species Khaya madagascariensis -------}-------}Species Khaya anthotheca(syn. K. nyasica) – Nyasaland mahogany -------}-------}Species Khaya senegalensis – Senegal mahogany -------}Genus Lansium Corrêa -------}Genus Melia -------}Genus Sandoricum -------}Genus Swietenia – mahogany -------}-------}Species Swietenia macrophylla King – Honduras mahogany(the fruitconcentrate is said to have Viagra-like qualities. See genus Azadirachta!) -------}-------}Species Swietenia mahagoni – West Indian mahogany -------}-------}Species Swietenia humilis - Pacific Coast Mahogany -------}Genus Toona – Red Cedar sometimes included in Cedrela genus -------}(note: this has NOTHING to do with Cedar/Cedrus used for acoustic tops, which is a genus of the family of Pinaceae) -------}-------}Species Toona calantas - Kalantas or Philippine Mahogany -------}-------}Species Toona ciliata (australis) - Australian Red Cedar, Toon, Suren or Indian Mahogany -------}-------}Species Toona febrifuga - Vietnam Mahogany -------}-------}Species Toona sinensis - Chinese Mahogany or Chinese Toon -------}-------}Species Toona sureni - Suren or Indonesian Mahogany -------}Genus Trichilia -------}Genus Xylocarpus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan421 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 What do u guys expect look its like this NO your epiphones are not as good as the Gibson counterparts ok there is a reason why Epiphones are a economy guitar. You get what you pay for people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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