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hi guys i dont post here often, but i need some advice.

 

a guy is selling a casino locally.

 

he is asking $650. So i asked him if it was an elite?

 

he doesnt know... but he said he bought it for $1200 at a local store and he assumes it was recently made.

 

he sent me some pictures which are less than great quality. not a lefty, but the picutres got flipped somehow.

 

anyways, i would like to go and check it out. what does one look for when searching or an elite casino?

 

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I don't know how he managed to reverse all of the photos, but he seems to be putting up a smokescreen. A price of 1200 suggests Elitist, but if he "doesn't know", he doesn't want to know. Buy a new Elitist, and let this guy go.

 

Casinos seem to be the one Epiphone where the greatest amount of cons surface. Look at the ones on ebay. A guy takes a stock MIK Casino, changes the tuners, and calls it a modded John Lennon Revolution Casino. Pathetic.

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I don't know a lot about Casino's, but I do know about buying and I would walk away from this one. If he is the one that purchased it at $1,200, but doesn't know if it is an Elitist, than it's a set up for "Well, I never said it was an Elitist".

 

And I was wondering the same thing as Jeffery, how did he manage to send all the photos in reverse? This guy is smoke and mirrors - the smoke to hide the truth and the mirror to take the pictures.

 

I give this a "Feet don't fail me now" and run away from this thing.

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The only Elitists I have seen are the Les Paul and SG and they have the Elitist logo right on the back of the neck. I don't know if they are the same on the Casino but I would assume so. So my guess is it isn't marked and either he doesn't know better or he is out right lying to you to get you to buy it.

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Very simply ask for another photo, of the back of the headstock. If it says Elitist (you can check elsewhere, on

this site, or the Epiphone site, for the exact logo), you MIGHT think about it? However, as Strum and Jeff have

mentioned, it's probably a safer bet, to pass this one up. Seems to me, if it WAS an "Elitist" he would have

not only said so, in the beginning, but used it as a enticement to sell it, even faster. So..."bad vibes" here..

on this one. Just my 2-cents.

 

Oh, and by the way, "Elitists" have Grover tuners...not Asian Kluson type. The one pictured, has the Asian

Klusons. That's another give away, for it NOT being an Elitist! In which case...his price seems "optimisitic"

0n his part, at best!

 

CB

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Even though I think Charlie Brown may have pointed out enough points to prove its not an elitist I was looking for a picture of one. After finding one I have noticed that the truss rod cover should say Elitist and the one in the picture just has the Epiphone logo.

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To the best of my knowledge' date=' all the Elitists have "J" serial numbers. No "J", no elitist.

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Yeah, I think the Casino in the photos is a Korean (maybe Chinese) version. The "E" truss rod

cover could have been put in place of the "Elitist" one...but, WHY?! Unless he was trying to

get the "Lennon" look. The neck joint with the body, also is not as deep, as in the Elitist or

the Lennon versions (which are true to the Kalamazoo originals). So...it's no "Elitist!" Be

nice to see the back of the headstock and the serial number, too! That would tell him for sure.

 

CB

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Elitist Casinos do not have that bevelled headstock. The Chinese models do. The Lennons do, but that is certainly not one of them. The fact that seller never shows the neck or back of the headstock is a tip off that he knows he is misrepresenting that guitar; the red Elitist seal on the back of the headstock, the gold "Made in Japan" sticker on the heel, the quality of the mahogany neck, and the serial number stamped (not inked) on the headstock would all easily be visible.

 

In addition, the white Elitist label would be visible through the f-hole. That one has an orange label. The horns are less rounded on the Elitist. You'd see position markers under the knobs. And as pointed out, it would say Elitist on the truss rod cover.

 

By the way, hollow, semi-hollow, and acoustic Elitists have serial numbers that begin with T, not J (as somebody wrote earlier). Solid body Elitists have serial numbers that begin with F.

 

Red 333

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It does have some decent wood grain to it.

 

I'd offer him $400 for it and take it home for more than $425 unless he can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is indeed an elitist.

 

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He can't prove it because it isn't an Elitist. You can see the standard orange label through the f-hole. The standard orange label is designed to look like a Gibson label. The Elitist label is white, and except that it is oval, looks very different from the orange Gibson label. It has a large picture of Epi himself on it, the Elitist logo (naturally), and a gold border.

 

It does look like it's in good condition, though, so $400-425 is a fair offer.

 

Red 333

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+1 for "It's NOT an Elitist".

 

- Wrong neck joint location

- Wrong label

- Wrong truss rod cover

- Wrong headstock (beveling)

- Wrong marketing efforts by the seller (Why not push the fact that it's an Elitist, etc..)

 

Looks like a clean Standard Epiphone Casino though. :-#

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+1 for "It's NOT an Elitist".

 

- Wrong neck joint location

- Wrong label

- Wrong truss rod cover

- Wrong headstock (beveling)

- Wrong marketing efforts by the seller (Why not push the fact that it's an Elitist' date=' etc..)

 

 

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Yep, but other than that, it is just like an Elitist.biggrin.gif

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