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The intro to “Bark at the Moon,” by Ozzy Osbourne; The Distortion on Jake E. Lees guitar is soooooo perfect #-o It is really crunchy, but still very clear; you can hear every note without them overpowering each other. A similar example is from “The Story in your Eyes,” by the moody blues. I have been working on getting a sound similar to that on my G-400, but with no success. I was wondering if there was some sort of key ingredient to get a similar sound. Like uber distortion but no sustain (just as an example). Does anyone know how to get it????? Please????

charlie brown

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"The Story In Your Eyes," was done on a Gibson ES-335 I believe. At least it was, when I saw them "Live," around the time that album came out. Great song, by the way...Great Band, too! As to his distortion pedal...probably a Vox "Tone Bender" or Dunlop Fuzz Face, as both were quite popular, at the time. Could (possibly) have been a Maestro Fuzz, by Gibson, too?? But I'd be more apt to think it was the Vox or Dunlap. Seems like it was through a Marshall Plexi (100 watt) Stack, too.

I had a Vox Tone Bender (still do...somewhere) and a Marshall Stack, and was able to get that tone, quite easily

with it, way back when! Hope that's of some help/use?

 

CB

charlie brown

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Haha' date=' so 6 or 7 thousand dollars and that tone is all yours![/quote']

 

LOL! Yeah...well, that's what I saw him using, and I had a similar set up, back in the day...so,

I could get that tone, then. We didn't have all the less expensive versions, then...that exist now.

But, I would guess any good "tube" amp (or, even good simulator) could come quite close. Maybe

a AVT Marshall or similar sounding amp, and the Epi "Dot?" Much less expensive, and I'm sure it

would be more than "passable." And, with a bit of tweaking, he can probably get very close, with

his solid body guitar, as well. One thing about semi's is, they have a natural sustain and roundness,

that solid bodies don't have. So, you don't have to push the distortion as hard, to get that tone...

which leaves it more focused...less muddy. Hey, it's just a thought/observation.

 

CB

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"The Story In Your Eyes' date='" was done on a Gibson ES-335 I believe. At least it was, when I saw them "Live," around the time that album came out. Great song, by the way...Great Band, too! As to his distortion pedal...probably a Vox "Tone Bender" or Dunlop Fuzz Face, as both were quite popular, at the time. Could (possibly) have been a Maestro Fuzz, by Gibson, too?? But I'd be more apt to think it was the Vox or Dunlap. Seems like it was through a Marshall Plexi (100 watt) Stack, too.

I had a Vox Tone Bender (still do...somewhere) and a Marshall Stack, and was able to get that tone, quite easily

with it, way back when! Hope that's of some help/use?

 

CB[/quote']

 

yes, it was definantly done on an ES-335 (which i suppose is how he got the growliness). and yes! that is very useful, i at least now have something i can look up, and research to get my bearings.

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so, i have an epiphone tube amp(a 30 Watt blues custom), a good overdrive pedal and a multi effects pedal(which i love) and it seems like every time i get a good sounding amount of distortion, or get it in a good balance, it loses its edge. it becomes to muddy #-o

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yes' date=' it was definantly done on an ES-335 (which i suppose is how he got the growliness). and yes! that is very useful, i at least now have something i can look up, and research to get my bearings.[/quote']

 

Good....let us know what you find out. Always fun/interesting to find out the exact

"Gear" used on a particular song. Even if most of it is "in the fingers!" ;>)

 

CB

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Good....let us know what you find out. Always fun/interesting to find out the exact

"Gear" used on a particular song. Even if most of it is "in the fingers!" ;>)

 

CB

 

definantly!

charlie brown

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so' date=' i have an epiphone tube amp(a 30 Watt blues custom), a good overdrive pedal and a multi effects pedal(which i love) and it seems like every time i get a good sounding amount of distortion, or get it in a good balance, it loses its edge. it becomes to muddy #-o [/quote']

 

Well, you may be experiencing what happens, all to often, with solid bodies...when you get the

"Grind" you like, you (can) lose the note integrity. That's why I thought maybe Justin was using

his 335 with just enough "Grind" to do the job, but keep the clarity...and semi's are great for that,

because of their natural sustain at a decent volume, so the "additional" distortion doesn't have to

be as pronounced, and therefore the note clarity doesn't suffer (or, not as much). It's one thing"

I've experienced, anyway. Other's may (probably will) differ?

 

CB

charlie brown

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thanks! any advice on the "Bark at the Moon" sound?

 

Well, not sure there. Jake E Lee used a "Strat" or Jackson (later) a lot. But

as to his distortion box, or just an overdriven stack???...I'm just not that familiar

with his gear.

 

I'm sure there are others here, that will know...or at least have a better idea,

about it, than I do.

 

Sorry...

 

CB

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i dont know if your effect pedal(i have a digitech rp 90) is anything like mine, but if it is you could go under an edit button edit the stock settings with different amps distortions chorus's delay etc...so if yours is like this go ahead and try out a few things and you will eventually find a good sound. Im pretty close to an eruption type tone and it took about half an hour of tweaking :)

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i dont know if your effect pedal(i have a digitech rp 90) is anything like mine' date=' but if it is you could go under an edit button edit the stock settings with different amps distortions chorus's delay etc...so if yours is like this go ahead and try out a few things and you will eventually find a good sound. Im pretty close to an eruption type tone and it took about half an hour of tweaking :)[/quote']

 

yeah, i have a boss ME-30, so i can do that, but it still cant get there :) hmmmmm maybe i need turn turn up the volume more to REALLY hear it!

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yeah' date=' i have a boss ME-30, so i can do that, but it still cant get there :) hmmmmm maybe i need turn turn up the volume more to REALLY hear it![/quote']

 

Remember too, that you are trying to get a "Recorded" tone...they do all kinds of things,

in the board, with EQ and compression, tweaking here and there, to get that "perfect" tone,

sound. So, you'll want to keep that in mind, as well. A friend of mine, who does a lot of

recording, is constantly frustrated in "live" situations, because he'll set his gear for what sounds

good, in the studio, and when he used the same settings "Live," it's just NOT the same. Drives

him crazy, at times. LOL! So...sometimes it needs to be "Close enough, for Rock & Roll," you know?

LOL!

 

CB

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Remember too' date=' that you are trying to get a "Recorded" tone...they do all kinds of things,

in the board, with EQ and compression, tweaking here and there, to get that "perfect" tone,

sound. So, you'll want to keep that in mind, as well. A friend of mine, who does a lot of

recording, is constantly frustrated in "live" situations, because he'll set his gear for what sounds

good, in the studio, and when he used the same settings "Live," it's just NOT the same. Drives

him crazy, at times. LOL! So...sometimes it needs to be "Close enough, for Rock & Roll," you know?

LOL!

 

CB[/quote']

 

hahahahaha! i'll keep that in mind :)

Curtoons

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My brother got to be pretty tight with Jake back during his Badlands days and we got to hang with them for a few shows. I used to cover Bark At The Moon too and the secret is getting the amp loud with minimal gain. You can't have too much overdrive going on because it will "mud up" the articulation. You need to let the pickup push the amp. The rest is, of course, in your hands and your picking attack!

 

Jake didn't use any pedal on the opening riff other than a pinch of chorus (but I don't think he used it live)..

Ricochet

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Dimarzios SDS1 for singles and a Duncmore Semen JB in a HSS configuration. A Boss OD1 to boost the Marshalls.

 

Edit: Boss level way up, with minimal gain settings. Electro-Voice speaker loaded cabs.

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Dimarzios SDS1 for singles and a Duncmore Semen JB in a HSS configuration. A Boss OD1 to boost the Marshalls.

you know, the sad thing is that it actually took me a minute to decode that XD

Dave

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When you run a stack of Marshall stacks you have to option to have some set clean and others set dirty. Try running a split signal to two amps and vary the OD on one while the other is clean. Of course, the right effects pad will have the option of mixing clean and dirty signals when you build a sound.

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