Plek`ing an Epiphone?

[joeymetro]

Would it be worth the cost to have an Epiphone Pleked?

I have an original Ultra.

How do you find a place to do it?

How much?

[JEPI]

Would it be worth the cost to have an Epiphone Pleked?

I have an original Ultra.

How do you find a place to do it?

How much?

 

Joey.... What is "Pleked"? Do you mean flecked or sparkle finish? Or are you just starting to use a pick? lol

Seriously though, I don't know what pleked means...............J

[wiltshire willy]

ABSOLUTELY YES

it really gets the action as low as she can go and the frets become totally uniform but as far as where to go im in Australia so no ideas

rock on

W W

[tulsaslim]

In a nutshell Plekking is a computerized fret leveling system. It's great and very accurate but in my part of the world it's $150 whereas my guitar tech will level my frets 'by hand' for $60 and, to me, the results are as good as I'll ever need.

 

If you're wanting to spend some money on your neck spend $130 or so on the Buzz Feiten tuning system. I was skeptical at first but I'm now totally convinced it's worth every dime. You will hear the difference, believe me.

[djroge1]

In a nutshell Plekking is a computerized fret leveling system. It's great and very accurate but in my part of the world it's $150 whereas my guitar tech will level my frets 'by hand' for $60 and' date=' to me, the results are as good as I'll ever need.

 

If you're wanting to spend some money on your neck spend $130 or so on the Buzz Feiten tuning system. I was skeptical at first but I'm now totally convinced it's worth every dime. You will hear the difference, believe me.[/quote']

 

I've read about the Buzz Feiten tuning system, but what is it exactly? You say it is worth it - how or why?

[bluelake07]

Here are some places you can have it done:

 

http://www.plek.com/en_US/referenzen/service/

[JEPI]

In a nutshell Plekking is a computerized fret leveling system. It's great and very accurate but in my part of the world it's $150 whereas my guitar tech will level my frets 'by hand' for $60 and' date=' to me, the results are as good as I'll ever need.

 

If you're wanting to spend some money on your neck spend $130 or so on the Buzz Feiten tuning system. I was skeptical at first but I'm now totally convinced it's worth every dime. You will hear the difference, believe me.[/quote']

 

Tulsa - Thanks for the explanation. Never heard of it before and so to answer Joey, if you have the bucks to try it, an Epi is certainly worth the cost. Its still all about the playability/tone of an instrument that counts. But for me, I'd probably still go with the tried and true $60 job and be happy with it... I think lol.....................J

[tulsaslim]

The Buzz Feiten tuning system corrects the imperfections we all have in our hearing with respect to hearing pitch correctly. For instance, have you ever noticed that if you play an open E chord followed by an open D chord it almost always sounds like one of them is out of tune? Mathematically they are absolutely correct buy our ears don't hear it that way.

 

In a nutshell, the Buzz Feiten system 'adjusts' the intonation by means of 'shortening' the distance between the nut & the bridge by just a tad (by installing a new nut) and tweaking the intonation a bit to where it's not quite mathematically 'exact'.

 

But the results are extraordinary. Your guitar will never sound more in tune.

 

You can read all about it at buzzfeiten.com.

 

I'm a total believer.

[GlennW]

I think I read a book about tuning pianos that the 12 note scale in itself is off mathematically. Piano tuners "cheat" a little so it sounds right.

[charlie brown]

The Buzz Feiten tuning system corrects the imperfections we all have in our hearing with respect to hearing pitch correctly. For instance' date=' have you ever noticed that if you play an open E chord followed by an open D chord it almost always sounds like one of them is out of tune? Mathematically they are absolutely correct buy our ears don't hear it that way.

 

In a nutshell, the Buzz Feiten system 'adjusts' the intonation by means of 'shortening' the distance between the nut & the bridge by just a tad (by installing a new nut) and tweaking the intonation a bit to where it's not quite mathematically 'exact'.

 

But the results are extraordinary. Your guitar will never sound more in tune.

 

You can read all about it at buzzfeiten.com.

 

I'm a total believer.[/quote']

 

Yeah, the nut on the Feiten system actually looks like a small compensating bridge! It's wild, but seems to work!

 

CB

[Trojon]

Another way to go would be the Earvana compensated nut, tuning improvement is like night and day and you don't have to permanently alter your guitar or have to buy a special tuner for it.

[weeladdie]

Would it be worth the cost to have an Epiphone Pleked?

I have an original Ultra.

How do you find a place to do it?

How much?

 

Look up Peekamoose on the net, they're in downtown Manhattan.

 

I think they charge around $250 for a Plek

[layboomo]

If you have an accurate tuner and want to experience how offset tuning can help try this . It works quite well on any guitar.

 

"Guitar: How to tune the guitar correctly so it really sounds in tune

? I’ve been playing guitar for over 20 years and as my ear has gotten better I have been burdened with the fact that the traditional tuning methods we use are just plain WRONG. Guitars are mathematically incorrect, they all are! ?No matter how good your intonation is, if you use the traditional tuning method of pure note tuning there is no way your guitar will be in tune all the way up and down the neck! I found this out after years of session playing that really good eared producers could hear it being out and most guitar players couldn’t because we got used to the guitar sounding this way and thought it was right! The conventional tuning methods are a compromise doing “tuning injustice” all over the guitar neck. I noticed that I would tune with all the notes tuned right and then I would have to do slight tuning adjustments while disregarding the tuner to make it sound “Sweet” or “Right”.

 

?

 

? The search started 5 years back on how to fix this problem. I did some research and found out pianos are “temper tuned” and that’s why their tuning is so good. So I thought let’s apply that to guitar. After several years of trial and error I believe that this method of “temper tuning” for guitar is the only way to go, it simply works better ?and your guitar will sound beautiful anywhere on the neck and it simply blows away the traditional method.

 

?

 

?So here’s the method: First and foremost you’ll need to set your guitars intonation properly with a fairly good tuner. I have a previous article on how to set your intonation and it’s very simple to do. Second I would recommend the Boss TU-12 series tuners on up or the Peterson strobe tuners, they are the best! The Boss Tu-12 is accurate to +/- 1cent so that’s very good and you can see exactly how many cents sharp or flat you are and that’s makes the tuning method easier. The Peterson is off the chart within 1/100th accuracy. The Peterson also has a “sweetened tuning” preset that’s very good!! ?I have a method that some strings will be pure note tuned to the tuner and that is shown as (0) and some other strings will be tuned SLIGHTLY sharp! So here’s the tuning offsets and these are VERY SLIGHT offsets but they sound great when done. Try tuning standard method and then tune “tempered” and you’ll instantly hear the difference guaranteed!!

 

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Low E string or 6th string- 0- pure note

 

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A string or 5th string - +1 cent SHARP

 

?

 

D string or 4th string- +1 cent SHARP

 

?

 

G string or 3rd string- +2 cents SHARP

 

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B string or 2nd string -+1 cent SHARP

 

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E string or 1st string – 0- pure note

 

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?There is another method that works great and that’s the Feiten system but that’s expensive and requires a small nut modification to your guitar and a different set of “tuning offsets”. This is a method you can use without any mods and certainly less expensive,? I would however invest in a high quality tuner sooner than later!

 

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Guitar Guru"

[custer]

If you tune your guitar that way and the rest of the band doesn't, won't you actually be out of tune to everyone else?

[Curtoons]

the compensated nut

I've NEVER liked the sound of that. Ouch!!

[MarxBros]

The problem with Plecking an Epi is the frets are so crappy and soft 6 months of hard playing and they'll be all uneven again anyhow.

[RSDx]

Heyhey, layboomo ... LOL....this sounds quite like what I've been almost unconciously doing for decades, now.... I'd tune it to a tuner, then adjust to what sounds more "right" (atlhough not measuring by tuner, just by ear). Great post.....maybe I'm not crazy after all .... or maybe I am

If you have an accurate tuner and want to experience how offset tuning can help try this . It works quite well on any guitar.

 

"Guitar: How to tune the guitar correctly so it really sounds in tune

? I’ve been playing guitar for over 20 years and as my ear has gotten better I have been burdened with the fact that the traditional tuning methods we use are just plain WRONG. Guitars are mathematically incorrect' date=' they all are! ?No matter how good your intonation is, if you use the traditional tuning method of pure note tuning there is no way your guitar will be in tune all the way up and down the neck! I found this out after years of session playing that really good eared producers could hear it being out and most guitar players couldn’t because we got used to the guitar sounding this way and thought it was right! The conventional tuning methods are a compromise doing “tuning injustice” all over the guitar neck. I noticed that I would tune with all the notes tuned right and then I would have to do slight tuning adjustments while disregarding the tuner to make it sound “Sweet” or “Right”.

 

?

 

? The search started 5 years back on how to fix this problem. I did some research and found out pianos are “temper tuned” and that’s why their tuning is so good. So I thought let’s apply that to guitar. After several years of trial and error I believe that this method of “temper tuning” for guitar is the only way to go, it simply works better ?and your guitar will sound beautiful anywhere on the neck and it simply blows away the traditional method.

 

?

 

?So here’s the method: First and foremost you’ll need to set your guitars intonation properly with a fairly good tuner. I have a previous article on how to set your intonation and it’s very simple to do. Second I would recommend the Boss TU-12 series tuners on up or the Peterson strobe tuners, they are the best! The Boss Tu-12 is accurate to +/- 1cent so that’s very good and you can see exactly how many cents sharp or flat you are and that’s makes the tuning method easier. The Peterson is off the chart within 1/100th accuracy. The Peterson also has a “sweetened tuning” preset that’s very good!! ?I have a method that some strings will be pure note tuned to the tuner and that is shown as (0) and some other strings will be tuned SLIGHTLY sharp! So here’s the tuning offsets and these are VERY SLIGHT offsets but they sound great when done. Try tuning standard method and then tune “tempered” and you’ll instantly hear the difference guaranteed!!

 

?

 

Low E string or 6th string- 0- pure note

 

?

 

A string or 5th string - +1 cent SHARP

 

?

 

D string or 4th string- +1 cent SHARP

 

?

 

G string or 3rd string- +2 cents SHARP

 

?

 

B string or 2nd string -+1 cent SHARP

 

?

 

E string or 1st string – 0- pure note

 

 

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[evol04gt]

i plan on having most of my guitars that havent already been manually done, all done... at 70 a guitar x 14 un dressed necks is a lot... lol...

 

 

i tune like this--- A at 440.

i make the second fret of my d string a perfect 5th againts my a string.

g string octaves the a string (play to frets higher on the g.

play A string second fret to find the B string.

5th fret B string to tune the high E.

power chord the low e till its a perfect fith against the A and octaves the d string..

 

i redo that twice then match 3rd fret B string against open G (should be about dead on..

3rd fret high E againsts the B string...

 

then redo from the top..

 

its anal but its PERFECT on barr chords, power chords and traditional chords... one solo and your EBG are all Fked. lol.

[BobSkippy]

I think I read a book about tuning pianos that the 12 note scale in itself is off mathematically. Piano tuners "cheat" a little so it sounds right.

 

Glenn,

Close. :-)

 

Pianos and guitars are tuned using what's called a 'tempered' tuning.

 

If the notes in the scale were mathematically perfect (referred to as 'just intonation'), then a chord in the scale (i.e., a C major chord in the C scale) would have the notes at the *precise* mathematical ratios, and would sound more 'pure' (listen to a barbershop quartet; they sing in just intonation, so the harmonies are perfect). The problem is that a chord that's *not* in that scale - say, an A chord - *doesn't* have that mathematical perfection, so it sounds out-of-tune.

 

Back around the time of Johann Sebastian Bach, the tempered tuning was developed (his "Well-Tempered Clavier" was written for just that purpose). In tempered tuning, all the notes are *slightly* out-of-tune with what would be mathematically perfect; the upside is that they're all *equally* out-of-tune, so one particular key signature won't be *more* out of tune than any other.

 

In other words, it's a compromise; we've all grown up with it, though, so it sounds ok...

 

Hope that helps! :-)

 

-Bob

[layboomo]

In a nutshell Plekken is a computerized fret leveling system. It's great and very accurate but in my part of the world it's $150 whereas my guitar tech will level my frets 'by hand' for $60 and' date=' to me, the results are as good as I'll ever need.

 

If you're wanting to spend some money on your neck spend $130 or so on the Buzz Feiten tuning system. I was skeptical at first but I'm now totally convinced it's worth every dime. You will hear the difference, believe me.[/quote']

 

I agree spend the $60 on a good fret level/dress job on the Epi IMHO....if you had better fret wire on the guitar then maybe a Plek job would be worth the $.....but it's all relative I guess.

[Ricochet]

I'll just save my 2 cents on the compensated nuts...

 

Here is an interesting site on the piano tuning temperaments and it's variations.

http://rollingball.com/TemperamentsFrames.htm

[Bender 4 Life]

Heyhey' date=' layboomo ... LOL....this sounds quite like what I've been almost unconciously doing for decades, now.... I'd tune it to a tuner, then adjust to what sounds more "right" (atlhough not measuring by tuner, just by ear). Great post.....maybe I'm not crazy after all .... or maybe I am [/quote']

 

Count me in with the "crazies" then.......i've played for ...tomorrow makes 34 yrs. exactly.......and the last 25 or so i've just gotten "into the ballpark" with a tuner......and then tuned by ear using true note, and harmonic notes, because i've NEVER had a tuner (among the dozen or so i've owned) that didn't leave the guitar sounding terrible.

[TheX]

I'll just save my 2 cents on the compensated nuts...

 

 

I usually use frets and then that nut is......pointless.

[layboomo]

 

Count me in with the "crazies" then.......i've played for ...tomorrow makes 34 yrs. exactly.......and the last 25 or so i've just gotten "into the ballpark" with a tuner......and then tuned by ear using true note' date=' and harmonic notes, because i've NEVER had a tuner (among the dozen or so i've owned) that didn't leave the guitar sounding terrible.[/quote']

 

I'm with you guys......I think anybody thats used and trusted a tuner without tweaking afterward can relate to being out even though the tuner sais you're in!

[vince a]

The "Elitist" in my avatar was plekked, though at a cost of $170 . . . I also paid to have the action set as low as possible . . . I had to raise the action after I got it back . . . it was TOO LOW! It's still very low, and absolutely no buzz whatsoever!

 

Best $$$ I have ever spent on a guitar . . . 'nuff said!