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While I'm fairly new to this forum and Epiphones, I have to wonder WTF is going on a management.

Getting rid of the goldtop

Adding yet another Wylde signature, that makes 4.

The Apparition...?

I personally miss the Les Paul Classic, what happened to that?

 

Epiphone should stop adding damn signatures and make some new model lines.

Maybe an ES-339 (Sweet)

The return of the Les Paul Classic

Les Paul Deluxe (I'm hoping for a goldtop)

Even make a new model, even though I wouldn't leave Epiphone's recent design department alone with a drawing board...

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Epis done off beat models quite a bit over the years..

I don't know what's up exactly, but I'd bet it's been worth thier time and effort, financially.

 

I don't know that they are really trying to gain the same kind of reputation that Gibson has, specifically.

 

I have enjoyed some of their forays into the more unusual guitars, but haven't bought one myself.

 

I have wished I had, but those were things like the corina V. Not really off the wall stuff.

(though they had a series not long ago that was interesting and different... the ones with the big headstock logo.)

 

I like the one made for the rock band guitarist. looks like a pretty nice idea to me.

 

I do wish their semi hollow line would settle down and be permanent. Man they do a good job on those things.

Zephyr Broadway wildkat p93 riv.. along with the dots and riviera/casinos that just seems a formidable lineup to me.

 

I'd like to see some 12 strings that compete with that Boca thing which is about the only reasonably priced 12 string you see around very much.

 

And I'd like to see more bigsby, just about anywhere.

 

But I gotta say. they are probably selling these zak guitars.. etc.. and if they're good guitars. the looks is just a broader market base.

 

tWANG

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Dear Epiphone Inc, due to the constantly increasing prices of your products, I believe that MOST of your actual

PURCHASING customers would be in the "Beatles, Stones, Pink Floyd, Thin Lizzy" generation, and most of your

"wish I had a guitar, but can't afford an Epi on what I make at McDonalds"type customers are in the Slash & Zakk Wylde generation.

Just an observation from someone thats 45, played for 34 yrs, and is still adding to the guitar"harem".

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We may not like some of these new designs and where Epi is headed, but they have obviously done their homework on the competition as to what their 'wider market' wants for these types/styles of guitars. It all comes down to profit and moving units to the masses. Still they are supposed to be doing some other reissues as well like the Wilshire for example. EDIT: Just posted thread!

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Bender, I can relate to your post.

 

I wouldn't buy that Apparition thing in a million years, hell, I'm only interested in the Flying V model because of it's historic appeal (and well... there's the Albert King thing...lol), but even that is just a bit too radical for me.

 

I really don't understand this all that well I guess, here is a chance to market "vintage looking" instruments that we can afford without having to get a second mortgage. I would love to see a DC LP, the LP TV, a Goldtop with HB, and more hollowbodies. What do we get instead?

 

People forget, I came across a fella who told me Epis were just toy guitars, no history, no tradition. Tell that to Les Paul himself, what was the 'log' made of? Yeah, thought so...

 

So there's a historic connection between Epiphones and Les Paul, the very origins of the LP guitar can be traced back to dismembered Epis that Mr. Paul used to experiment with. Only a moron wouldn't take advantage of this historic fact!

 

So come on, it's good to have a couple guitars for those interested in Metal but the way I see it, Epiphone is a company of tradition, or at least the name is. So I say more reissues, more vintage models, more history!

 

Alright, at the end of the day I'm just a nobody, have no influence with the managers, and probably they'll laugh at what I post here... But it's my opinion, and I think I'm not alone here in how I feel about this whole thing.

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I wanted to make another point. I own a 1969 Gibson LP, and while I stare at it in awe, I'm afraid to even touch it because of the value. I keep being reminded of how valuable it is. I enjoy looking at it, but all the fun of owning a guitar has been sucked out of it by this entire vintage market thing.

 

Musical instruments are meant to be enjoyed, but this whole vintage situation has gotten out of hand and now a cherished instrument seems to be more like some painting than a guitar, look but don't touch.

 

That's why I think there's actually a huge market for those who can't afford to actually buy a vintage instrument to PLAY IT.

 

Gibson seems to believe that we make gold when we go to the bathroom, and Fender seems to be trying to catch up.

 

The very first Teles and Strats were made by unskilled labor, and now the price is basically a joke to common people like myself.

 

I don't know, but I would love to see more vintage-looking Epis out there at a reasonable price, it's nice to have a cool looking, quality guitar that looks the age but can actually be played without having to have secret service protection at the gig!

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I wanted to make another point. I own a 1969 Gibson LP' date=' and while I stare at it in awe, I'm afraid to even touch it because of the value. I keep being reminded of how valuable it is. I enjoy looking at it, but all the fun of owning a guitar has been sucked out of it by this entire vintage market thing.

 

Musical instruments are meant to be enjoyed, but this whole vintage situation has gotten out of hand and now a cherished instrument seems to be more like some painting than a guitar, look but don't touch.

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YOU are the one that has "gotten out of hand".

You have a 1969 Gibson LP, and all you do is stare at it because you're afraid to even touch it???

What a freakin' waste of a guitar!!! Sell it to someone who will play it.

Otherwise, all you are doing is contributing to this "vintage market thing" yourself!

Again, what a waste of a good guitar.

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We may not like some of these new designs and where Epi is headed' date=' but they have obviously done their homework on the competition as to what their 'wider market' wants for these types/styles of guitars. It all comes down to profit and [i']moving[/i] units to the masses. Still they are supposed to be doing some other reissues as well like the Wilshire for example. EDIT: Just posted thread!

 

Ha! Ever seen the market research for this kind of thing? They hire someone to put a 16 year old girl in a mall asking people to fill out a questionnaire. Typical people who fill one out? All her family and friends, the 43 she filled out herself and 943 13 year old boys who get a chance to hang out with a goddess and tell someone what kind of guitar to make next year.

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Ha! Ever seen the market research for this kind of thing? They hire someone to put a 16 year old girl in a mall asking people to fill out a questionnaire. Typical people who fill one out? All her family and friends' date=' the 43 she filled out herself and 943 13 year old boys who get a chance to hang out with a goddess and tell someone what kind of guitar to make next year.

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Yep, then they profit heavily selling signature Marcus Henderson and Zakk Wylde type guitars to em.

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Alright, but it wasn't my fault entirely.

 

When I first got the guitar, I was told how "valuable" it was, an entire lecture on how to appreciate the value of things. I took it to be valuable for its tone, and what a tone that thing has. I played that guitar quite a bit, at home, but I was even told that the guitar was "too valuable" to be played, guilt trips from north and south. A friend even suggested to construct a plexiglass case for display and all that.

 

I mean, I ain't rich or anything, just happen to have that particular guitar, and I get all sorts of comments on how stupid I am for wanting to play it, for touching it!

 

Yeah, I should play the guitar, you're right, you only live once and a guitar that remains silent is after all worth nothing in my book. But the lesson is still there, there's a market for vintage-looking instruments, even the VOS guitars are made to look aged, but the price is still high for most of us.

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I'm actually intrigued by the "Apparition", and absolutely LOVE my V-Factor.........i'm just upset that

they've discontinued soooo many "classic" models, in favor of 15 different LP's, 12 different G3/400's

and have so many multiple signature guitars. 3 or 4 ZW guitars, 2 or 3 Slashes.......

 

At least theres hope, I just read the thread about the new Vintage American series they're

teasing us with....and now my fingers are crossed for some REALLY VOS guitars.

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YOU are the one that has "gotten out of hand".

You have a 1969 Gibson LP' date=' and all you do is stare at it because you're afraid to even touch it???

What a freakin' waste of a guitar!!! Sell it to someone who will play it.

Otherwise, all you are doing is contributing to this "vintage market thing" yourself!

Again, what a waste of a good guitar.[/quote']

 

I have a '69/'70 Les Paul Custom..it gets used regularly..I am very much a part of the "vintage guitar" mind set...after thirty five years in that vintage arena..I know what's too valuable to take out and what's been created to be valuable to satisfy the ego of the guitar's owner...I'm with you on this one, Brad. Play it or get rid of it...the reason they should be valuable and desired is because they're great players not because they have the provenance and idiosyncrasies to make them collector fodder.

 

Nelson

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.....

 

So there's a historic connection between Epiphones and Les Paul' date=' the very origins of the LP guitar can be traced back to dismembered Epis that Mr. Paul used to experiment with. Only a moron wouldn't take advantage of this historic fact!..

 

 

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You need to do more reading...you don't have a clue about Les Pauls or Epiphone history...

 

Nelson

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I think I actually have a clue. According to author Tony Bacon, the famous 'log' was made out of a 4x4 and 'wings' that came out of dismembered Epi guitar. Same with other prototypes that followed.

 

That's what I meant. There's a historic connection between Les Paul, the electric guitar, and Epiphone. Those are documented facts, unless the author is wrong, and I think Epi should use this historic link to their advantage.

 

That's all.

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I think I actually have a clue. According to author Tony Bacon' date=' the famous 'log' was made out of a 4x4 and 'wings' that came out of dismembered Epi guitar. Same with other prototypes that followed.

 

That's what I meant. There's a historic connection between Les Paul, the electric guitar, and Epiphone. Those are documented facts, unless the author is wrong, and I think Epi should use this historic link to their advantage.

 

That's all.

 

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yes, that is absolutely accurate...but there's NO connection between the Les Paul guitar's design and Lester Polfus...Lester Polfus lived in New Jersey across the river from the factory in New York and used the Epiphone factory to tinker on Sundays when the workers were gone..that's the connection...Tony Bacon is one of the best sources for accurate information...my apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

Nelson

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Of course, as far as I know Gibson just wanted Les Paul (because of his fame and reputation) to endorse the guitar THEY designed, they went to him I believe as a form of recognition for his experiments.

 

Les Paul did not design the LP guitar, most people don't know that, but it's also true.

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I am so bored with all of these new guitars that Epiphone are coming out with. That new one that looks like a cross between an SG and a Flying V is a joke! If I were a part of the Epiphone management team, I would be listening to the people on this forum, because we are the customers who are buying these guitars. When I look through the list of models on the Epiphone website, so many of the really great ones are discontinued. What happened?

 

I would like to see less of these signature models and more classic guitars. Les Pauls, SGs (aren't that many to choose from...), Semi-hollows...

 

Just my two cents...

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