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I also noticed that a lot of natural-finish are kicking around nowadays. People must get sick of looking at these "naked" guitars and they keep turning up in the used guitar market. I thought the intent of an Epi hollowbody was to be in a sunburst or cherry fininsh, you know, the nice stuff.

 

From my experience with installing and finishing maple floors myself in my house, is that if you choose a natural glossy finish on a light colored wood like maple, it shows all the mistakes, and if you finish it in a matte natural finish, it looks fake like those simulated-wood formica laminate kitchen countertops out there. It is very possible to make wood look like plastic with a matte finish. Wood needs some gloss to look proper. For my floors, I ended up going halfway, with a semi-gloss finish to get a little of both advantages.

 

On a side note, I see that a lot of Epi guitars in the used market are also black. For instance, I am looking for a cherry G-400, hopefully a Korean, but all I see are black models and almost all are Chinese. It seems like they are trying to phase out the finishes that take too much time to apply on a guitar, but these are thetypical nice finishes that make a guitar scream "WOW". It looks like they want us to own only natural or black guitars in the future, when I like sunbursts and cherry finishes.

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Guess you'll just have to go ahead and order a Gibson ES-335 or' date=' at a pinch, a Heritage...(but that might be pushing it).[/quote']

 

I'm a poor college kid with law school JUST around the summer.

Only reason I have so many guitars is cuz I'm awesome and get them for CHEAP, and they're GOOD.

I can't afford ANY Gibson models and most Heritage pieces are out of my price range as well.

 

Wah wah....

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It all seems to come down to " you get what you pay for " sometimes. I pretty much buy sight unseen from MF, with an occasional exception. Nothing has ever had to be returned for defects that made the guitar really unplayable. Minor fret dressing and the like is, or was common years ago. But I have to admit the last six or seven guitars in the last year or 2 have been pretty nice, needing a good set-up of course, thats about it.

 

The trick with Epi's I find, is that if you do go for the LTD's as said earlier, you should get a better build quality. Nothing is carved in stone, though they do tend to put a bit more into them. Most of the Epi's I have are either LTD's or custom shop models. The 2 newest Epi's I own are '08 MIC, an AJ200 acoustic, plus my blond Casino, both having rather thin finishes actually. I won't buy any more Epi's due to the fact, I have what I wanted. Gibsons are a rip-off IMO.'

 

Now if your thinking about bang for the buck, you have to check out the Squier Classic Vibe offerings. I bought the '60s Strat, and the '50s Tele, and the quality on both is Awesome! Made in China too...

 

Go Figure:-k

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The most obvious reason why people don't buy natural guitars is that these days natural guitars don't have that "Antique Natural" color to them but more of a ugly creamy, white sort of finish which makes em look like cheap furniture! I don't know what they put in that clearcoat but man somethings not right!

Even some Rickenbackers look ugly in "MapleGlo"... =D>:-#[-(

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Its really a shame to hear that so many of you have run into issues with the newer Epi's.

I've been very pleased with my Dot. Sounds lke I was just lucky enough to get a good one.

However if I do buy another new Epi, I'll be sure to bring a screwdriver and open up the back plate.

Of course thats assuming its a model that has a back plate, lol.

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A few months ago, I posted here that I felt very positive about the potential of Epiphone's own factory in China, to produce high quality guitars at good prices. A couple of you guys said, hold on, let's see. Sadly, it looks like you could be right.

 

Epiphone, if you take any notice of what the people who actually buy your guitars think, (hey, that's us!) then listen to us now. There is absolutely no excuse in this day and age for poor quality, poor quality control, and variable standards of production.

 

The reason I was upbeat about Quingdao was that about a year ago my mrs. bought a Michael Kelly Club Custom acoustic bass, MIC. Beautiful instrument, far better than the Fender next to it and nearly as good as the Tacoma for several hundred dollars more.

 

If Epiphone can't get this right then someone else will.

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The most obvious reason why people don't buy natural guitars is that these days natural guitars don't have that "Antique Natural" color to them but more of a ugly creamy' date=' white sort of finish which makes em look like cheap furniture! I don't know what they put in that clearcoat but man somethings not right!

Even some Rickenbackers look ugly in "MapleGlo"... =D>:-#[-( [/quote']

 

Keep in mind that a natural finish should eventually turn into a honey-color over time, but that is way too long for a consumer who want things right here and right now. All natural guitars probably looked weak when they were new. Just by looking at my Les Paul, 12 years later, the guitar probably started as a sunburst with medium red outline and a yellow center like the new ones I see in the store today. Now, the red is deep and the yellow looks more like orange. If you place it beside a new one at the store, the new one will look "synthetic" in comparison. My guitar looks a lot darker too.

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I've seen a few new NAT Casinos in music stores, and I immediately noticed the wood grain doesn't have much personality to it. I like to see the wood grain in a NAT guitar.

 

Add to that the fact that the binding didn't contrast with the bland wood very much, and those guitars didn't jump off the hooks and say "play me" to me (they could to others, it is personal taste).

 

On the other hand, there is no reason for Epi to put out anything but a well built guitar. If Agile, Xavier and other inexpensive guitar companies can, there is no reason for Gibson/Epi to do so. There is a lot of heritage in the Epi brand, and I hate to see it wither away.

 

When I went to buy my Casino, they were still making them in Korea, but the used one on the shelf had much better wood grain than the others, so even though I wanted to get a new one, I went home with the used 2001 MIK Casino.

 

Pic below (for the folks who have been here for a while, sorry, I need to take some new pictures).

 

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I'm (cautiously) hoping this is just some "growing pains," at Qingdoa, and will...very quickly, sort itself out. There is no

percentage in sloppy, shoddy construction or finishing. IF that continues to be the case, you can write Epiphones off (save

the used Elitist, or Nashville produced LE/SE versions). I (seriously) don't think Gibson, will allow that to happen! BUT,

in today's world...sad to say, Nothing would surprise me, unfortunately. I have to admit, the neck construction changes,

to the new Sheratons, seem a bit "cheap!" But, in reality, it might not be that big of a deal? We'll see...no doubt.

I always did like the Korean Sheri's, with the multi-piece necks, though.

 

Edit: Another thing that's worrisome...and this situation brings into focus, even more...is a lot of the older folks,

and even some not so older folks, grew up with, and are used to better quality products, overall. The diminishing amount of those, and peoples growing "acceptance" of "that's just the way it is,"....That's very disturbing, to me.

 

CB

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I'm (cautiously) hoping this is just some "growing pains' date='" at Qingdoa, and will...very quickly, sort itself out. There is no

percentage in sloppy, shoddy construction or finishing. IF that continues to be the case, you can write Epiphones off (save

the used Elitist, or Nashville produced LE/SE versions). I (seriously) don't think Gibson, will allow that to happen! BUT,

in today's world...sad to say, Nothing would surprise me, unfortunately. I have to admit, the neck construction changes,

to the new Sheratons, seem a bit "cheap!" But, in reality, it might not be that big of a deal? We'll see...no doubt.

I always did like the Korean Sheri's, with the multi-piece necks, though.

 

CB[/quote']

Maybe they will hire a QC person, or fire the guys doing the shoddy work.

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I'm a poor college kid with law school JUST around the summer.

Only reason I have so many guitars is cuz I'm awesome and get them for CHEAP' date=' and they're GOOD.

I can't afford ANY Gibson models and most Heritage pieces are out of my price range as well.

 

Wah wah....[/quote']

Try an Elitist Casino, or an Ibanez John Scofield model. I've heard nothing but good about the Scofield.

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I must have just gotten lucky ... luck o' the draw' date=' whatever - my '07 MIC EE Std+ LP is just fine by me ......... guess I have low standards =D> [/quote']

 

Others have said that their MIC Les Pauls were fine (one guy even flamed me for complaining about the quality of my Chinese-made Ibanezes). There are some folks who have had no problems. I think my Riviera may say something like Custom Shop on it, which suggests a modicum of QC.

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I must have just gotten lucky ... luck o' the draw' date=' whatever - my '07 MIC EE Std+ LP is just fine by me ......... guess I have low standards =D> [/quote']

 

Nah, must be a fake. :-#/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Smiley failure again, why won't my smiley work?

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my lp studio is chinese.. and it's nice. the only problem with I have is the thick finish.

and it's not as bad as some.

 

I agree about the natural grain wood.

They ought to tint it, to start with.. it'll be a long time before anything starts to change under all that poly.

And I agree about the grain itself... no figure, no pretty. Looks like formica.

 

Epis shooting themselves in the foot by not getting QC on top of the cosmetic features and by not realizing when they have a winner.

ie: p93.

Could be, I guess, that their bottom line people have another view.

hard to say!

 

TWANG

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and oh yeah..

 

we've got 189,000 miles on the old tercel.. bought new..

and it still runs great, though it looks like death on wheels.

40mpg or better on the highway.

 

we'll drive that sucker 'till the wheels fall off.

And boy, talk about saving money compared to feeling high falutin and classy.. I'll take the cash.

No car payments, liability insureance, and yearly repairs have been practically nil.

 

When toyota does it right, it's really right.

 

next new car.. Toyota.

 

TWANG

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Reading this thread makes me happy I found my Sherri at a little known store that had old stock on hand.

 

I almost bought mine at GC instead I wound up getting a "new" 2004 MIK Sheri.

 

Finally lucked into something

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My Chinese Sheraton needed help. I bought it sight unseen through MF and expected possible issues based on reviews. I was really just trying to get close to a 335 w/o breaking the bank, and the Dots don't do it for me like the Sheratons... I put about 600.00 bucks into it beyond the purchase with case about 3 years ago...was still a 500 dollar guitar then- or there abouts, another bill for the case-or there abouts... I'm not bitter, 'cos it's really a very good guitar now, I'm happy with the end result.

 

My Indonesian Wildkat however is another story. I do want to rewire it and repot it-but that is it. Everything else stays put. It never even needed a set up-it is perfect, it sits proudly with my Gibsons, crap woods or not, 'just cos it plays so well and has excellent tone.

 

 

My Chinese EPI Blues Custom 30 combo is like a mongol with a good horse. Look out! Zero complaints there.

 

So I really got a mixed bag regarding China and Epiphone...Indonesia seems fine on one viewing.

 

Crap shoot, eh?

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My Chinese Sheraton needed help. I bought it sight unseen through MF and expected possible issues based on reviews. I was really just trying to get close to a 335 w/o breaking the bank' date=' and the Dots don't do it for me like the Sheratons... I put about 600.00 bucks into it beyond the purchase with case about 3 years ago...was still a 500 dollar guitar then- or there abouts, another bill for the case-or there abouts... I'm not bitter, 'cos it's really a very good guitar now, I'm happy with the end result.

 

My Indonesian Wildkat however is another story. I do want to rewire it and repot it-but that is it. Everything else stays put. It never even needed a set up-it is perfect, it sits proudly with my Gibsons, crap woods or not, 'just cos it plays so well and has excellent tone.

 

 

My Chinese EPI Blues Custom 30 combo is like a mongol with a good horse. Look out! Zero complaints there.

 

So I really got a mixed bag regarding China and Epiphone...Indonesia seems fine on one viewing.

 

Crap shoot, eh?

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'Hole,

 

What did you have done to the Sheraton?

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'Hole' date='

 

What did you have done to the Sheraton?[/quote']

 

 

Intonation was all whacked out-bad buzzes at 3rd, 10th and 12th frets...tech couldn't get that resolved until he turned the bridge/saddle pieces around...then truss rod adjustment, and then it was solid in that regard. Next, the nut was cut very badly-tried graphite in the slots to get rid of the catching, it helped but still wouldn't go away on the b string...so just had a bone nut installed. Other than that-it worked correctly, but for a noisy selector switch, which I had replaced with a sturdier one wired better.

 

Then, last-and this isn't Epiphone's fault, I knew what I was buying pickupwise, but to get it sounding as good as the Gibsons in the herd I had Seymor Duncan Pearly Gates slapped in to replace the stockers, and big fat 500k cts pots. I know it isn't as good as a 335-but it SOUNDS as good as one-I've dueled with a good friend, we swapped 'em back and forth. Sure-the 335 feels nicer, no lie. But the Sherry feels very nice, sounds GREAT and I'm into it for much less. Resell value isn't a concern; it won't be sold. I do not need a Gibson 335. I do except charity however, should there be any philanthropists out there.

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Intonation was all whacked out-bad buzzes at 3rd' date=' 10th and 12th frets...tech couldn't get that resolved until he turned the bridge/saddle pieces around...then truss rod adjustment, and then it was solid in that regard. Next, the nut was cut very badly-tried graphite in the slots to get rid of the catching, it helped but still wouldn't go away on the b string...so just had a bone nut installed. Other than that-it worked correctly, but for a noisy selector switch, which I had replaced with a sturdier one wired better. Then, last-and this isn't Epiphone's fault, I knew what I was buying pickupwise, but to get it sounding as good as the Gibsons in the herd I had Seymor Duncan Pearly Gates slapped in to replace the stockers, and big fat 500k cts pots. I know it isn't as good as a 335-but it SOUNDS as good as one-I've dueled with a good friend, we swapped 'em back and forth. Sure-the 335 feels nicer, no lie. But the Sherry feels very nice, sounds GREAT and I'm into it for much less. Resell value isn't a concern; it won't be sold. I do not need a Gibson 335. I do except charity however, should there be any philanthropists out there.

 

 

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I made it through half of that paragraph before I had to go to one knee for an 8-count.

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