gus² Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 well, i just bought a dot but i´m playing on a crappy amp...first i´ll have to buy a good amp and please don´t tell me that epi HB are not that good, the way you guys are talking it seems like the difference between gibson and epi HB are huge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron G Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 the way you guys are talking it seems like the difference between gibson and epi HB are huge You do not want to open that can of worms. I have a Dot Studio and I'm very happy with it, although it did require a pickup change for me to be happy with it. A mere $80 in GFS pickups got me there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figstrum Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I am thinking going with burstbuckers. It seems that they would fit the bluesy, old "power chord" rock, and the little bit of Jazz I like to play. Now, is there a difference in sound between the open coil, and the soapbar type of pickups? I have a Honeyburst with the cream parts, I was thinking either getting the gold covered pickups, or the open coil zebras. Anyone care to put in their 2 cents? Maybe just to help out with the decision in which one to pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostindesert Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I am thinking going with burstbuckers. It seems that they would fit the bluesy' date=' old "power chord" rock, and the little bit of Jazz I like to play. Now, is there a difference in sound between the open coil, and the soapbar type of pickups? I have a Honeyburst with the cream parts, I was thinking either getting the gold covered pickups, or the open coil zebras. Anyone care to put in their 2 cents? Maybe just to help out with the decision in which one to pick.[/quote'] The soapbar type (P90)? Or do you mean a covered humbucker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figstrum Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Sorry, I meant covered humbuckers. Does the open coil humbucker give you better sound than the covered humbucker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadedepi Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Sorry' date=' I meant covered humbuckers. Does the open coil humbucker give you better sound than the covered humbucker? [/quote'] My experience playing various Epi's and replacing Epi pickups in my own guitars, leads me to believe there's little difference (if any) in Epi HB's from one model to another. Covered or not they all seem muddy, the neck position always being the worst. Faded.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figstrum Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 My experience playing various Epi's and replacing Epi pickups in my own guitars' date=' leads me to believe there's little difference (if any) in Epi HB's from one model to another. Covered or not they all seem muddy, the neck position always being the worst. Faded....[/quote'] I get that the Epi pups are muddy, and not very good quality. But, if I was going to upgrade the pups, should I go with the covered pups or the open coil? Which of the two has a better sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostindesert Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Open coil pickups supposed to have a higher top end. It has something to do with the cover killing some highs. Maybe another forum member can explain this better, but it's what i've heard, read or was told? Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figstrum Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Open coil pickups supposed to have a higher top end.It has something to do with the cover killing some highs. Maybe another forum can explain this better' date=' but it's what i've heard, read or was told? Peter[/quote'] Thank you for the post. I have been looking around, and it seems that the covered pups do not project the high end as good as the uncovered ones. Also, the covered ones take care of feedback, lower hum, and so on...... Ultimately, it seems that it is a preference thing. Apparently, the uncovered ones is the way to go as it supposedly promotes a better sound or sonic range. Who knows, I'm just trying to upgrade my Epi Lp with better pups. :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEPI Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I've never looked into this, but just wonder how many icons, like Jimmy Page, Angus Young etc., play or played with open coil pups. It obviously will make a difference, but just how much who knows. I'm an old dog and don't like the cosmetic look of open coil, but understand that the sound is what's most important......................J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I've never looked into this' date=' but just wonder how many icons, like Jimmy Page, Angus Young etc., play or played with open coil pups. It obviously will make a difference, but just how much who knows. [b']I'm an old dog and don't like the cosmetic look of open coil,[/b] but understand that the sound is what's most important......................J LOL...Me too, Jepi. First thing I did, after testing out my Gibby Les Paul Classic, was to put Nickel covers on the pickups! It always felt "unfinished" with the covers off. Sound wise (tone), I never really felt there was much, if any difference. There did seem to be a bit more volume. But most of my "hero's" growing up Bloomfield, Clapton (in his Mayall/Beano Era) played Stock PAF's, that were covered! And, they still sounded like them...Great! EC did uncover his PAF's later...but he still sounded the same, to me. Page had his bridge pickup uncovered, but the neck picup was covered! So...??? I went through an "uncovered" stage, like a lot of us did, at the time. But, I always seemed to go back, to covered pickups. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tt Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 Can anybody confirm that i have correct information about the following pickups? Gibson 57 Classic - 7.8k, alnico II magnets , cover german silver ( not brass) , waxpotted Gibson 57 Classic Plus - 8.7k, alnico II magnets, cover german silver ( not brass), waxpotted Epi Dot neck 8.9 k (which alnico magnets? ) , brass cover, waxpotted Epi Dot bridge 9,2 k (which alnico magnets? ) , brass cover, waxpotted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figstrum Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 LOL...Me too' date=' Jepi. First thing I did, after testing out my Gibby Les Paul Classic, was to put Nickel covers on the pickups! It always felt "unfinished" with the covers off. Sound wise (tone), I never really felt there was much, if any difference. There did seem to be a bit more volume. But most of my "hero's" growing up Bloomfield, Clapton (in his Mayall/Beano Era) played Stock PAF's, that were covered! And, they still sounded like them...Great! EC did uncover his PAF's later...but he still sounded the same, to me. Page had his bridge pickup uncovered, but the neck picup was covered! So...??? I went through an "uncovered" stage, like a lot of us did, at the time. But, I always seemed to go back, to covered pickups. CB[/quote'] I agree. Once upon a time, EVH said that you could pick up his exact gear, play through it and still not sound like him. I liked that. Sounds like a good signature line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figstrum Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 so which ones would be the better bet ? http://www.thomann.de/gb/seymour_duncan_ssph901b_chrom.htm http://www.thomann.de/gb/gibson_p57_classic.htm which one would you buy ? Between these two, whichever one is cheaper. Both products are of very good quality and sound. Whichever one you get, you should not be disappointed. I have to say that all guitar players struggle with the never-ending battle of finding the "TONE". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernovaa Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I got my Dot about 2 weeks ago and am really happy with the tone from the stock pickups. They were originally set really low so I raised them a tad and now the guitar sparkles Here is a video of me playing with both pickups through the clean channel on my amp Don't have any desire to change the stock pups. I also love the tone I get from my G400 Might be worth you playing with pickup heights before you yank em out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarpBoy Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Just curious. Is this the pup that everyone is changing out of their DOT's? I'm usually the 'odd man out' on the pickup controversy but these are stock in my '05 EE and I think they sound good. 'Course' date=' I'm not doing any stage or recording work. Maybe if I was, I would need to change them out?? I play the DOT thru a '60's Magnavox Estey tube amp with one twelve and its sweet.....................J [img']http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/173bro/Epiphone%20Dot%20VS/Dot1Apr08005.jpg[/img] That's a sweet amp; by the way, it's a Magnatone Estey, not Magnavox. I use a '56 Magnatone as my primary harp amp. They were higher end than Fender back in the day. Does your's have working vibrato? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tt Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 what about SD SH-55 Seth Lovers vs Gibson 57 Classic (and Plus) ? Any comparison (cons/pros of each set) between these on an Epi Dot ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 what about SD SH-55 Seth Lovers vs Gibson 57 Classic (and Plus) ? Any comparison (cons/pros of each set) between these on an Epi Dot ? The Seth Lovers are not wax-potted. Might get you some feedback-issues at "gainy"-settings in a Dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL-KABONG! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Telbert you seem like a nice feller and all... Here's the deal: 1 a hollow or semi-hollow axe may never sound as bright as you are accustomed to - even if you throw single coils in it. 2 if you ask guitarists about pickups, you should understand that 'Tone' is subjective as hell- everyone has their ideal sound. So asking people on here what would be best is a total crapshoot. 3 The only guarantee you'll get by putting *****in' , super deluxe, famous-name humbuckers in your guitar is that they're definitely gonna make your wallet lighter. be careful...just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tt Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 thanks for warning :-) The *****in' , super deluxe, famous-name sd-55´s just happened to be offered to me with good price totally by chance yesterday and i have couple of days to think whether to take those or not. Probably will ( can sell them later if they dont ´do´) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL-KABONG! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 EEGADS Double post city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL-KABONG! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 speakin' of fancy-***, pricey pickups...I think tv jones makes a brighter humbucker... http://tvjones.com/dyk/gibson.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL-KABONG! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I think duncan has charts comparing the sounds of their diff. pups as well...or email them your probs and they will help ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwhi2001 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 If you're going to the expense/trouble of installing better pups I'd recommend upgrading the pots and capacitors at the same time. It's not a lot more money and ensures you get the best out of the pups. I always go for CTS pots, Sprague caps. Epis' stock pots and caps vary in quality, and they might be part of your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL-KABONG! Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Sorry for all these double posts...my phone/pda has gone loco! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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