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Somebody refresh me on the details about the Broadcaster' date=' NoCaster, Telecaster thing... who/what was the

other culprit that caused the name swappages?

 

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It was Broadcaster, but I think it was Gretsch who used Broadcaster for a model of their drums.

 

So Fender was threatened with a lawsuit, and took the Broadcaster decal off the headstock leaving it with no name at all, which in retrospect, we call Nocaster

 

Then they got a new name and decals and started putting telecaster on them.

 

If someone has better information, please correct/add/refine this.

 

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Somebody refresh me on the details about the Broadcaster' date=' NoCaster, Telecaster thing... who/what was the

other culprit that caused the name swappages?

 

Wedgie[/quote']

It was Broadcaster, but I think it was Gretsch who used Broadcaster for a model of their drums.

 

So Fender was threatened with a lawsuit, and took the Broadcaster decal off the headstock leaving it with no name at all, which in retrospect, we call Nocaster

 

Then they got a new name and decals and started putting telecaster on them.

 

If someone has better information, please correct/add/refine this.

 

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What would be interesting of course is know the decision process that eventually gave those

famous guitars their name.

 

Broadcasting is a term used in radio and telivision

Telecasting is a term used in television to distribute a signal

Stratocasting is a term used in weather forcasting...stratus (strato) is a cloud formation

and a name given to a second layer of atmosphere surrounding the earth (stratosphere)

 

 

I've always suspected that the names are just really evocative of the 1950s (which is perfectly logical' date=' given the 'birth' dates of the Stratocaster and Telecaster).

 

Because I'm a geeky librarian, I just ran a search through the New York Times historical database. The word "stratosphere" turns up in nearly 700 articles between the dates 1950-1962 (mostly related to that era's fascination with space). The word "telecast" generates an incredible 5100 results when applied to the same date range.

 

I think Leo just looked around for contemporary "buzz" words that he hoped would reflect the ground-breaking modernity of his new instruments. Perhaps if he made guitars today we'd be enjoying the Fender [i']Wiiiii[/i] (or the Fender Bailout).

 

I'm still interested in the paradox of "Jazzmaster" (generally shunned by jazz players). I don't know about the origins of "Jaguar" either, unless, well, it does look a little automotive I suppose...?

 

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The following from "Guitar Facts" by Dave Hunter and others:

 

"It is difficult to judge whether the design of Fender's first solidbody electric guitar was influenced very much by those earlier instruments of Bigsby's. George Fullerton says that he and Leo knew Paul Bigsby and had seen Merle Travis playing his Bigsby guitar. On the other hand, it is possible that Fender and Bigsby just made something similar at the same time. The guitar, originally named the Fender Esquire and then the Fender Broadcaster, first went into production in 1950."

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It was Broadcaster' date=' but I think it was Gretsch who used Broadcaster for a model of their drums.

 

So Fender was threatened with a lawsuit, and took the Broadcaster decal off the headstock leaving it with no name at all, which in retrospect, we call Nocaster

 

Then they got a new name and decals and started putting telecaster on them.

 

If someone has better information, please correct/add/refine this.

 

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Basically it's the way I read it. Notes.

 

I might add that since the instrument lines were different, Leo might have

won his day in court (similar to the Gibson-PRS lawsuit) where PRS came out on top, but probably in those

days, he didn't have the coin to challenge Fred Gretsch, who was well established, and perhaps wasn't

that tenacious (bent) on retaining the model name (Broadcaster) on his first guitar back then.

 

The synopsis of the Gibson-PRS courtcase was that Gibson only had a case if the PRS could be confused

by the buying public as some kind of Gibson model..which it wasn't.

 

The "Broadkaster" name (note the "k") on the Gretsch drums and "Broadcaster" on a Fender guitar

would not have been a difficult cast to sort out..the buying public should know the difference between

a set of drums and an electric guitar.

http://www.gretschdrums.com/?fa=discontinued&sid=586

 

I remember back in the late 60s, a line of guitars that were being sold and distributed called "Gilson".,

these were not as good as Gibsons, and either a shameless exploitation of the Gibson name

or one of those weird co-incidences of somebody's name (ie: John Gilson) that happened to be in the

guitar business.

 

Another case of name/trademark coincidence was when Microsoft didn't go out and secure all the

internet domains that could have "microsoft" in the domain name. Some kid in Alberta (I believe) registered

his name first and later on Microsoft went after him threatning to sue..but eventually had to back down

and pay the kid a sum of money to transfer the ownership of the registered name to them.

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Just to put a twist into this thread the original design of Fender guitars was not from "Leo"' date=' but from a man named "Merle Travis"...This should get a response or two... #-o [/quote']

 

Yeah, we covered all that on page one of this tread. Class starts promptly at 9:00...

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