gilbert_cfc Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 just read in this months Guitarist mag that his dad is holding it for ranson for 10k its a 1957 Epi Coronet made in New york .His Dads a Knob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Having read his mother's book his dad does seem quite heavy handed but then you can't imagine what that family's had to go through. The last I heard about the original coronet was that it was under custody of rough trade/libertines when Pete was kicked out the band and the gear was ready to go on tour. Not a 57 though by the look of that headstock. early 60s surely? He's had a couple of red coronets since then but with the new album has favoured Gibson J45 and J-160e electro acoustics Also... you have to take what Pete Doherty says with a pinch of salt... Pete used to have an olympic as well back in the early libetines days. Also seen with a few Casinos (owns a Gibson ES-330 from first libertines album) as well as a Granada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbert_cfc Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 yea his dad was ex-military..In the mag it says 57 just.He said hes loyal to the Gibsons and epiphones and did not like the strats.for a poor junkie he does have some nice guitars.there was a bit in the interveiw wher he said he had Gibson semi with big f-holes like a 355 and he was playin a gig in manchester and was playin **** so he threw it in to the growd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Flick Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 just read in this months Guitarist mag that his dad is holding it for ranson for 10k its a 1957 Epi Coronet made in New york .His Dads a Knob The Coronets with the batwing headstock and longer upper horn were introduced in 1963. Prior to that' date=' Coronets had a 3 = 3 headstock and the upper and lower horns were symmetrical. Also, the original Coronets (1958) had a New York pickup, the P-90 became standard in 1960. The Coronet in the photo has to be 1963 or later made in Kalamazoo. Check out: History of Epiphone Coronets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Yeah exactly. If his dad is holding one to ransom it is not the silverfox (dwight?) one that he used in the early days of the libertines. if it is then it's not a 57. pete said for his birthday this year he got a really old 1930s Gibson He smashed this at the Rythm Factory when I saw them sometime in 2004. Pic taken in Dec 2003. Gibson ES-125TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodice Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 yeh he smashed a natural casino and threw it into the crowd at the 02 wireless festval too (i think), it was on the ARENA Documentary, when it was about him. you can watch it on you tube and u will also see his cherry coronet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbert_cfc Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 yea i think that the coronet in question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodice Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htFpFIOjYDA&feature=related - showing him smashing his casino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbert_cfc Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 Ive never understood smashin a guitar ..I Had to work hard to get mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMcClane5000 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I cannot understand how anyone could read a book about such a stupid person.... He doesn't deserve these beautiful guitars being smeared with his disgusting greasy fingers and his blood. Is that the new generation of drug addicted teeny stars we want to have as idols for our kids? Well I think Morrissey said it best: Pete: "hello Morrissey I'm a big fan (blabla)" Moz: "I know who you are..." and refused to shake his hand (I wouldn't have shaked that fookers hand either... ewwwww) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Summerisle Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I cannot understand how anyone could read a book about such a stupid person.... He doesn't deserve these beautiful guitars being smeared with his disgusting greasy fingers and his blood. Very compassionate. Is that the new generation of drug addicted teeny stars we want to have as idols for our kids? So I guess if you have kids' date=' you'll be banning a wide variety of classic albums from your house. Wouldn't want young people to pick up a copy of the [i']Velvet Underground & Nico[/i] and maybe growing to admire it. Or thousands of other albums featuring artists who have had addiction problems. It might be worth your while having a read through Eric Clapton's autobiography one day. It may change your perceptions about the relationship between addiction, music, and fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbert_cfc Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 lol All our Dreams are made when were chained to the mirrior with a razor blade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegadeMaster Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Pete Doherty is actually quite an amazing artist to be honest, even though his drug addiction is of course a terrible shame, I am a fan of the Libertines, I think they are one of the best bands of this decade, and regardless what many think, there have been some real corkers this decade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMcClane5000 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 So I guess if you have kids' date=' you'll be banning a wide variety of classic albums from your house. Wouldn't want young people to pick up a copy of the [i']Velvet Underground & Nico[/i] and maybe growing to admire it. Or thousands of other albums featuring artists who have had addiction problems. It might be worth your while having a read through Eric Clapton's autobiography one day. It may change your perceptions about the relationship between addiction, music, and fame. I am 20... I don't have kids... But it's time for artists to show some fookin responsability for a change and Pete is the same old cliché rockstar like everyone else... I actually have read the Clapton biography... Don't tell me you're defending people taking drugs in public even if he's a musical genius (nice wobbly guitar playing man...) that would be so pathetic I'd have to laugh out loud! Or do you shake hands with every drug addict you meet on the street? I'm not saying we should live in a Disney-glitter-fun-sunshine-no-sex-kind of world but this guy.... He makes me sick in every way... I'm not saying he's a complete idiot... but he shouldn't be making so much fuss for nothing... And I'm sorry to hurt someone's feelings... It's my opinion and even if you think it's wrong... you should tolerate other people's view's on so-called 'gods'... If I were in Morrissey's position I'd have done the same thing... Even if it's called 'arrogance'... But let me ask you something... isn't it arrogant not to appear to shows? Leaving thousands of sad fans behind?? To me that guy isn't a musician... He should at least have to guts to announce that he's not appearing... but not to come to a show with no explanation isn't in the least tolerable... to me... Sincerely JM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I wouldn't say pete is very professional and record labels and management companies have stuck him on tours when he's clearly too addicted to pick up a guitar and during those years he didn't show up to gigs or play well but that's because he had a serious physical addiction. That's like asking a footballer to play with a broken leg and then complaining when he plays ****... Up The Bracket is thee defining guitar album of this decade/generation (alo Is This It - strokes) and Pete's vision and poetry were completely the make up and inspiration for a whole decade of music. Yes he plays up to his media image, Yes he has been iconised beyond his talent but there aren't a lot of people who have thrown themselves utterly and wholeheartedly into the music business as Pete Doherty. That's who he is. If people don't like it, I'm sure he's not going to be apologetic. Love him or loathe him he's a star in the same way Phil Spector is.. You can only judge an artist by their art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Summerisle Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I am 20... I don't have kids... But it's time for artists to show some fookin [sic] responsability [sic] for a change and Pete is the same old cliché rockstar like everyone else... I actually have read the Clapton biography... Well' date=' I'm 35 and I don't have kids either, so my musings on which artists I would allow "my children" to listen to are purely hypothetical (much like yours). However, if you are correct and Doherty is "the same old cliché rockstar like everyone else," then why single him out so directly for your vituperation? Unless, of course, if you ever do have responsibility for children, you will shield them from all such corrupting influences...so bang goes a wide array of musicians, all the way from Keith Richards through to Charlie Parker. Don't tell me you're defending people taking drugs in public even if he's a musical genius (nice wobbly guitar playing man...) that would be so pathetic I'd have to laugh out loud! Or do you shake hands with every drug addict you meet on the street? Well, I do believe that the drugs laws in both the UK and the US are quite ridiculous, and make criminals out of people (i.e. users, not pushers,) who are really nothing more than their own worst enemy. I don't believe he's a musical genius. I enjoyed the Libertines, am less impressed by Babyshambles. Still, he is unusual in many ways. Interesting rather than intriguing or inspiring. I don't think he needs to be a virtuoso guitarist to fulfill his creative ideas. I'm sure I don't shake hands with every drug addict I meet. But I've never felt the need to ascertain a man's addiction status before deciding whether to shake his hand (or not). You know, in the library where I work there is a certain contingent of homeless patrons. I think a fair few of them have (or have had) substance abuse problems. I also know that some of them are decorated veterans. I'd shake their hands any day. You can't summarize a person's worth by sole reference to his weaknesses. Feel free to laugh out loud in pathos. And I'm sorry to hurt someone's feelings... It's my opinion and even if you think it's wrong... you should tolerate other people's view's on so-called 'gods'... You're entitled to your opinions (and have the right to defend them). In my opinion' date=' you are being intolerant and judgmental of other person's frailties. My Deities, such as they are, do not include Pete Doherty, I can assure you of that much. If I were in Morrissey's position I'd have done the same thing... Even if it's called 'arrogance'... This would be the same Steven Patrick Morrissey who was the subject of a civil suit by his former bandmate, who claimed that the singer had screwed him out of his royalties? Not only did Morrissey lose the case (with the court awarding the bandmate a £1 million lump sum and 25% of all Smiths royalties thereafter), but Morrissey was obliged to sit in open court and hear the Judge describe him as, "devious, truculent and unreliable." Quite gracious of Pete Doherty to offer to shake his hand, when you think about it. But let me ask you something... isn't it arrogant not to appear to shows? Leaving thousands of sad fans behind?? To me that guy isn't a musician... He should at least have to guts to announce that he's not appearing... but not to come to a show with no explanation isn't in the least tolerable... to me... Such is the price of addiction' date=' I'm sorry to say. Failure to fulfill one's obligations is as much a symptom of the disease as opening a bottle and drinking the contents. Doherty seems to be on the path to sobriety, however. Let's hope he stays there. You know, in answering your post my intention is [b']not[/b] to start a flame war between you and I. I admit you annoyed me slightly with your reference to Doherty "not deserving" his possessions because he is "disgusting, greasy-fingered, and drug-addicted." As you mentioned, you are quite young (20 years of age). Statistically, I'm afraid, there is a very good chance that at some point in your life you will have to endure someone whom you love or care about suffering from addiction or substance abuse problems, simply because these issues are so prevalent in our society. Try and show a little more compassion, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larkin38 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I don`t know who Pete Doherty is, but his so called 57 Coronet is a 1963 or later that you can find on eBay semi reasonable. Is he a dead a-hole rock star? Still never heard of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMcClane5000 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Please don't make it a Morrissey thing. I'm on mozzers side in every single way and even though he 'screwed over' Mike 'what's his name' Joyce, Moz is still miles ahead of Doherty. Morrissey has the right to shake hands with whomever he desires.. :D All I'm saying is that I'm sick of hearing idiotic storys of rock-stars on the news... Why only show the negative sides? Everyone knows who Pete Doherty, Amy Winehouse and so on is but does anyone of the medias today care for their work? I'm not angry at pete... it's the medias who put this image on him (or maybe he a little bit too) but did anyone who reads about this cr@p actually listen to the music? I don't think so. And that's why I personally don't like pop/rockstars to be so obviously photographed/filmed because it just takes one's interest from the artist. I don't hate Pete... he obviously has some talent but the focus of the media is so fixed on that drug abuse and I'm kind of angry at him, that he doesn't/didn't try to change it to the better even if that would have made him somewhat of a bore... I will not forbid my kids to listen to whatever they want. But I don't want them to be craving after foolish drug abuse stories... I love Keith RIchards and all of them druggies but I want to hear their music, not in which corner of the world someone fell from a coconut-tree blabla... So... No hate for Pete. It's good that he's sober nowadays... JM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Summerisle Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Well, we can certainly agree on the Smiths! Amazing band. Both Morrissey and Johnny Marr are geniuses in their own unique ways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMcClane5000 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Well' date=' we can certainly agree on the Smiths! Amazing band. Both Morrissey and Johnny Marr are geniuses in their own unique ways... [img']http://www.virginmedia.com/images/johnny_marr-gal-guitar.jpg[/img] As we can see Marr loves Grolsch just as much as any other guitarist with strap problems... :D Damn why doesn't marr use his red Gibby 355 anymore? I think it was by fas the coolest guitar in his career. Apart from that 59' Les Paul.. MARRMARRMARRMARRMARRMARRMARRMARRMARR JM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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