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Why? the headstock debate again...

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I just found this. I kow that theses guitars are crap, etc, etc.

 

 

But since epiphone isn't allowed to use the open headstock blah! blah!...

 

 

Cant we have a small run with the headstock I know and love?

 

just ranting guys but it needs to be done once in a while...

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The Epi Flying V has the correct headstock. The Epi Explorer has the correct headstock. Why can't the same be done with the Les Paul, G-400, and the Dot? And while we're at it, isn't it about time that the generic name G-400 be dumped for the proper name, i.e. SG?

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The headstock doesn't bother me too much...I actually quite like the Epi headstock, truth be told.

 

I do wonder about the "G-400" name, given that the TRC on my guitar clearly says "SG"!

 

 

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Still, it is an Epiphone G-400 not a Gibson SG. But what's in a name? - it's still a nice guitar.

 

I agree that for Flying Vs, Firebirds etc, Epi have to stick to approximation of the Gibson original. But for standard 3 aside headstocks, I have no problem with Epiphone using their own design. At the end of the day, I like to think of my guitar as being an Epiphone (and hence an entity in its own right, not just a generic Gibson copy).

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I never see epis as cheap gibson copies, I stand by my epis always...

 

 

But since being part of the family, and our oriental brothers get the headstocks, a limited run with a proper family headstock wouldnt hurt.

 

 

Hey I love rivieras and casino hs, the batwing and wilshire too, but the cut corners kind of put me off.

 

 

But if you guys are happy, i respect that.

 

 

 

Cheers.

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The Epi Flying V has th correct headstock. The Epi Explorer has the correct headstock. Why can't the same be done with the Les Paul' date=' G-400, and the Dot? And while we're at it, isn't it about time that the generic name G-400 be dumped for the proper name, i.e. SG?[/quote']

 

Spud you took the words out of my post.

 

I want the correct headstock too. Make them say Epiphone Epiphone/Gibson people!

 

How is ths possibly going to hurt you? Maybe there would be a few who would buy the G400 over the SG Faded. Oups! I'm one right now.

 

While I'm on this topic how about fixing the EJ160E too? Make it the correct scale legnth and use the correct Gibson headstock, keep the rest the same. You guys had the tooling in the Peerless Plant as they did the original run of the AJ45s with the correct shape, bracing and specs, minus the headstock and truss rod through the sound hole.

 

What is the worst case senerio that comes up in these board meetings, that peope are going to scrape off the MIC stickers slap on a Gibson decal and try to pass them off as Gibsons?

 

Best case senerio a lot of us would dump some of our current stuff and replace it. I know I would.

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It’s more than likely a distribution thing. When Gibson bought Epi in the 50's, they rationale was that they could distribute Epi (then made in USA and every bit as good, if not better than Gibson) to dealers in areas where there were already too many Gibson vendors.

 

When competitors such as Yamaha started making fantastically good instruments in Japan in the 70's, Gibson sent Epi off to Japan in order to have a line that could compete with the Asians in the lower price categories. That quest for the lowest possible labor costs has led them through Korea and now into China and Indonesia.

 

Now that most vendors carry both brands, putting an open book headstock on Epi look-alikes would further cut into Gibson sales and perceived exclusivity. I suppose that's one of the "benefits" of buying a Gibson, you get the name, the lawsuit headstock, a case, the warm fuzzy for buying American, and all the other supposed privlidges of membership that >$2k of your hard-earned shinola brings you.

 

In Asia, it doesn't matter, because (apparently) the entire headstock debate is a moot point and the dealerships haven't made such a fuss about it.

 

That's my theory anyway.

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Best case senerio a lot of us would dump some of our current stuff and replace it. I know I would.

[-X You'd replace a perfectly good guitar(s) just to get "that" headstock shape ? That's silly ..... and if it's not a perfectly good guitar(s) ' date= why not "dump" it/them now ??? I'm cool with the Epi "cut corners" design ....... I;d be willing to bet that if Gibby LPs and SGs had had Epi's current headstock from day one (and Epi's had the plainer - to me - Gibby one) y'all would REALLY be up in arms about the shape (meaning you'd want the "fancier" Gib shape). IMO, Gibson's is only desirable because it's THE traditional Gibson shape - but, what if ??? What if they were the opposite from day one - would you still want the Gibby with the Epiphone shaped hs ??? I'm betting many would ..... people say all the time, in defense of Epis - "Play the guitar, not the name on the guitar...." - same would apply to headstock shape, I'd say. To my simple mind, the Epiphone hs looks classier than the Gibson....but that's just this fool's $0.02usd (not adjusted for inflation):)

OK.....I heredo solemnly swear to try my best to refrain from posting in any other Epi vs Gibson headstock or otherwise) threads z4dwink.gif

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The headstock i know and love is the epiphone headstock. If i wanted a Gibson headstock i'd save up and buy a gibson. I think it gives the brand individual charm.

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Clarkuss, but from your instrument list, it seems that you have the riviera/casino headstock, that is awesome.

 

I'm talking about the sg/lp one.

 

 

Greetings.

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Yeah I suppose. But even on my dots and the les paul i had it didn't bother me. All part and parcel of the epiphone guitar isn't it? We have an SG faded in our house and it's a great guitar, not that expensive either. What we play is always going to be limited by our financial capabilities. That's why they do it isn't it? Gibson hope one day you'll save up for a Gibson. If all Epis were just like Gibsons then less people would be inclined to push to get that elusive Gibson standard.

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I love the Epi headstock for what it is! period I own an Epi custom and I have owned a Gibson custom and My Epi is better. If you want the Gibson style headstock do your research and buy an MIJ Epiphone! they are not fakes they are real and when you pay just as much as a Gibson just so your headstock looks like a Gibson the next complaint will be I should have bought a Gibson, I want one from a collectors point of view just so I can pass on some really neat history to my Kids, and because I love to play and collect guitars. Which is why eventually I will be acquiring a MIJ Epi and a greco, orville and hondo II just so I can have one. not because the cool looking Gibson style headstock makes them play any better. Stop saying they should have a limited run, they already did from 70-03 that I know of do your research and find one.

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I think the epiphone logo on a LP or SG with the Gibson shape headstock makes the guitar look like a cheap or even fake Gibson, and not a good Epiphone guitar. If you want that headstock, get a gibson.

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Stop saying they should have a limited run' date=' they already did from 70-03 that I know of do your research and find one. [/quote']

 

chill bro.

 

This is a forum right? I have never slammed epiphones, I own 2.

 

I am entitled to my opinion, and that's it. It seems to some of you i'm putting down epiphones. Wrong.

 

I am mostly a riviera fan as some of you know. I started the thread after seeing a pict of the maestro/baldwin by gibson. And yes, I have seen the MIJS, orvilles, grecos, etc.

 

 

Thanks for the entertaining exchange of ideas, but for the last TIME: No matter what EPIS rock and will always do.

 

 

P.S. Yas Im planning on getting a gibby but Epis will always be my brand.

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=D> You'd replace a perfectly good guitar(s) just to get "that" headstock shape ? That's silly ..... and if it's not a perfectly good guitar(s) ' date=' why not "dump" it/them now ??? I'm cool with the Epi "cut corners" design ....... I;d be willing to bet that if Gibby LPs and SGs had had Epi's current headstock from day one (and Epi's had the plainer - to me - Gibby one) y'all would REALLY be up in arms about the shape (meaning you'd want the "fancier" Gib shape). IMO, Gibson's is only desirable because it's THE traditional Gibson shape - but, what if ??? What if they were the opposite from day one - would you still want the Gibby with the Epiphone shaped hs ??? I'm betting many would ..... people say all the time, in defense of Epis - "Play the guitar, not the name on the guitar...." - same would apply to headstock shape, I'd say. To my simple mind, the Epiphone hs looks classier than the Gibson....but that's just this fool's $0.02usd (not adjusted for inflation):-k

OK.....I heredo solemnly swear to try my best to refrain from posting in any other Epi vs Gibson headstock or otherwise) threads [img']http://img115.exs.cx/img115/9916/z4dwink.gif[/img]

 

I do not mind the Epiphone Headstock where it is correct. On a Casino, Riviera etc. I want it to be correct, sorry.

 

Take a look at the Maestro stuff I saw in Best Buy this Christmas while shopping and they can use the correct headstock on that "junk" then they can on the Epiphone stuff too.

 

As far as selling good guitars I am doing that one by one due to my job situation, so I will be looking in the furture to replace things, and if I can get an Epiphone in the future with the correct headstock that is what I am going to buy.

 

I have owned a Gibson Faded SG in the past and the G400s are closer to the 60s models I like. I picked an Epiphone as it got me closer to what I want than the Gibson in the same price point.

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Take a look at the Maestro stuff I saw in Best Buy this Christmas while shopping and they can use the correct headstock on that "junk" then they can on the Epiphone stuff too.

 

 

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I don't mind the headstock shape myself. I only wish the Dot had the Epi SG and LP style headstock' date=' instead of the larger Casino style.[/quote']

 

That I dont mind they have. But hey to each its own.

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Sorry if my comments were taken out of context everyone is entitled to their opinion you are correct. I was mere stating that if the research was done you would find that there was a limited run of Epi's made with Gibson heads, sorry for the misunderstanding

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This has come up, so many times before. But...I've always felt, the "Gibson clone" models (LP, SG, Firebird, Explorer, Dot, etc.) SHOULD have the Gibson shaped, open book headstock, with "Epiphone" on it, like Epiphone Japan did, for awhile, with their domestic (non-export) models. Keep the "Epiphone" "hourglass" headstock, for the more "original" Epiphone models, Casino, Riviera, Sheraton, and the full bodied archtops, as well. I know, the first 3 were Epiphone's versions, of the 330, 335, 355, respectively...but, they did have their own, pretty strong "identity," none the less. But, I don't think it would hurt Gibson, really, to give the Epi versions, of their LP's, etc. that Gibson headstock.

But, maybe that's just me?!

 

CB

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