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Yeah, I agree with CB. It's not that I don't like the Epiphone headstock (in fact it's actually pretty cool), but the Gibson headstock just looks more authentic. After all, the Les Pauls and SGs are Gibson clones, so why not have the Gibson headtsock too? I think a limited run of Epis with the Gibson headstock would be great (although would probably be way over priced).

 

But I guess everyone just sees it differently...

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Headstock Schmeadstock, who cares? I personally think it adds charactor to an already classy guitar. And as was stated, if it had an open book with the Epi name, it wouldn't look right.

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I personally prefer the Epiphone headstock design over the Gibson 'Open Book' design. To me it just looks to be more coherant with the shape of the rest of the guitar, the shape of the body etc.

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This has come up' date=' so many times before. But...I've always felt, the "Gibson clone" models (LP, SG, Firebird, Explorer, Dot, etc.) SHOULD have the Gibson shaped, open book headstock, with "Epiphone" on it, like Epiphone Japan did, for awhile, with their domestic (non-export) models. Keep the "Epiphone" "hourglass" headstock, for the more "original" Epiphone models, Casino, Riviera, Sheraton, and the full bodied archtops, as well. I know, the first 3 were Epiphone's versions, of the 330, 335, 355, respectively...but, they did have their own, pretty strong "identity," none the less. But, I don't think it would hurt Gibson, really, to give the Epi versions, or their LP's, etc. that Gibson headstock.

But, maybe that's just me?!

 

CB[/quote']

 

Thanks CB this is what I was trying to say. I just want the correct HS on the correct guitars. If Gibson who owns Epiphone wants to release a SG, Dot or LP please use the right HS just make it say Epiphone.

 

It gets me they say that will give Gibson a bad name. I would think the Gibson Maestros marked all over the box I saw at Best Buy claiming the 41" guitar thing was a "Gibson would harm Gibson much more than any well built Epiphone (clone models) would or does.

 

Not to bring up the other guy but Fender does this all the time with the Squire line, Standard etc. They seem to have no identity problem or any decrease in sales of the MIA stuff, just a model for each price range.

 

I own 3 Fenders a Strat, Tele and a J bass.

 

The rest of my collection is Gibson/Epiphone by a huge percentage.

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Seems like a pretty nice headstock design to me.

 

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In fact I kind of like it.

 

Agreed...it is a nice design, and looks great on those models...they're Epiphone models,

and not Gibson Clones. Models that are Epiphone, whether American or Asian, should

have the Epi headstock, traditional or Masterbilt. But, "Gibson Clones" (IMHO) need the

Gibson headstock....LOL! It's just my preference, really...that's all.

 

CB

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I agree that an Open Book would be neat but I've never found the Epi ugly either. I am truly

thankful however, than the Epiphone style headstock that we all know - has nothing in common

with the shape of a Dean or worse a B.C. Rich. .

If it did- then we might all have something to really worry about........

It might not be the Holy Grail but it ain't Holy$h1t

 

Wedgie

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Not to bring up the other guy but Fender does this all the time with the Squire line' date=' Standard etc. They seem to have no identity problem or any decrease in sales of the MIA stuff, just a model for each price range.

 

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+1

 

Fender seem to have no "exclusivity" hang-ups. Doesn't matter whether you pay less than $500 for a MIM Standard Stratocaster, or $4000 for some Custom Shop Artist model...It still says Fender Stratocaster on the headstock. I like to think that this ethos reflects their company origins...Leo Fender seems to have been a quiet and unassuming man, from what I have read.

 

I know that Gibson have made some inroads in this direction, with those cheaper priced Double-Cuts and SGs for example. And of course, Fender own Squier and produce some very affordable instruments...but still, I always sense that Gibbyphone quite likes the Gibson / Epiphone brand "division"...perhaps it helps justify the high price of a Gibson, to some extent...

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Just a visual reference FOR the Gibson like headstock...my MIJ '61 SG headstock.

 

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The Body has nice deep & wide beveling' date=' too...like the originals.

 

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CB

 

+ 100, Yes.

 

This is what they should all look like!

 

In the Epiphone Catalogs they state over and over how certain Epiphone's draw specs from their Gibson cousins so just go all the way and do this.

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Just a visual reference FOR the Gibson like headstock...my MIJ '61 SG headstock.

 

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The Body has nice deep & wide beveling' date=' too...like the originals.

 

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CB

 

Sorry, but it needed to be quoted again. It just needed to be.

 

One beautiful guitar you got there, CB.

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Thanks, Byrds and Al...I love it! And, as you can see, the Epiphone name goes nicely, on that "Gibson" headstock.

But, again, I like the Epi headstock, on "Epi" original models. That's as it should be! Just wish the Gibby Clones,

had the Gibby headstock, like mine, above. And, I agree...that it wouldn't (really) hurt "Gibson." As has been stated,

Fender and Gretsch too, don't seem to suffer. There will always be those that want, can afford, and will only play

"Gibsons!" So...what the heck?

 

CB

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That SG states my point' date=' right?

 

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Yes.

 

It is all part of Gibson/Epiphone's master plan.

 

They have done the Lennon J160E, EJ160E, Casino and LP. Plus several versions of Paul's signature Texan.

 

Next should be the Harrison SG in both Gibson and Epiphone versions.

 

Dr. Epiphone I'm sure knows that Harrison was the biggest Gibson guy of the lot. When does he finally get his signature model?

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Thanks' date=' Byrds and Al...I love it! And, as you can see, the Epiphone name goes nicely, on that "Gibson" headstock.

But, again, I like the Epi headstock, on "Epi" original models. That's as it should be! Just wish the Gibby Clones,

had the Gibby headstock, like mine, above. And, I agree...that it wouldn't (really) hurt "Gibson." As has been stated,

Fender and Gretsch too, don't seem to suffer. There will always be those that want, can afford, and will only play

"Gibsons!" So...what the heck?

 

CB[/quote']

Let's not forget PRS; their SE line have the same headstock shape as do their American counterparts. Kind of a funny rationale on Gibson's part, if you ask me. Although they did make this decision many years ago, and maybe now they are just leaving the unique Epiphone headstock as its own brand statement.

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The Epi Flying V has the correct headstock. The Epi Explorer has the correct headstock. Why can't the same be done with the Les Paul' date=' G-400, and the Dot? And while we're at it, isn't it about time that the generic name G-400 be dumped for the proper name, i.e. SG?[/quote'] like DOT refers to a specific kind of '335, G-400 refers to a specific SG...

 

and epiphone uses epiphone's headstock because it's their headstock. epiphone ? gibson, and they certainly aren't to gibson what squire is to fender. while you're complaining about something trivial, i just want to have a better guitar than my oscar schmidt, (but still a semi-hollow) and a better amp than my firefly (... not solid state...).

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Yes.

 

It is all part of Gibson/Epiphone's master plan.

 

They have done the Lennon J160E' date=' EJ160E, Casino and LP. Plus several versions of Paul's signature Texan.

 

Next should be the Harrison SG in both Gibson and Epiphone versions.

 

Dr. Epiphone I'm sure knows that Harrison was the biggest Gibson guy of the lot. When does he finally get his signature model?[/quote']

harrison sg?

 

hmm...

 

let's make the "clapton line" too. a 335 signature, a les paul, and that psychedelic sg... coz i mean.... we all LOVE signature models...

 

....

 

slash les paul... another slash les paul with a different paint job... twisted sister les paul...

 

the les paul signature model is the only model of guitar that proceeded to become the signature model of more than one person at a time :P

 

and what if someone becomes famous with one of these signature models?

 

i can imagine... the Gibson "John Doe" Slash Les Paul model. :|

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Yeah, I prefer the Epiphone HS over the Gibson personally. Just an opinion... It seems like the Gibson HS is too flared..? I don't know, Maybe it's just me? It just looks odd to me. I wonder what the ratio between the two headstocks getting munched would be. Just think... The times you've had to bend or reach across in an odd way. BAM! You know, The chinese alphabet comes spilling out...:P Maybe a weird swing around and BOOM! There goes that super priceless, Oh noooooooooo way, Real hard to replace, Neat thing, You can't find anymore item would have gone flyin' across the room... Not with our old trusty Epi HS. Swoosh! Nice clean near miss:d/ Ooops, Ramblin'...

Uhh, Yeah... I like my Epi HS

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