93DMTX1281734249 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Just picked up a long lusted for used Casino a few days ago. 2006 Korean Natural. The chart (and Epi website) says this should be 1.68" at the nut. Mine is definitely the more narrow 1.62" measured with calipers. I wonder if this is something changed on the more recent Chinese made guitars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodice Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Just picked up a long lusted for used Casino a few days ago. 2006 Korean Natural. The chart (and Epi website) says this should be 1.68" at the nut. Mine is definitely the more narrow 1.62" measured with calipers. I wonder if this is something changed on the more recent Chinese made guitars? yeh! i have a 2009 Korean Casino, definitely 1.62", which takes a minute or two to get used too! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93DMTX1281734249 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Thanks Peter So pg 6/7 says the 2010 standard Casino is 1.68". Is that really true or a catalog error? I feel a trip to the music store coming on this evening ....must.........leave..................credit..................................cards...................................................home. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bynapkinart Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 my 2004 peerless is 1.68, if that helps anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Webb Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 And more praise still for your fantastically helpful chart Brian. Doh!!! If I'd found this earlier I could have saved myself so much time. Am thrilled with my 'Inspired By' Sunburst Casino that I bought a few days ago. I did masses of research to try and sort out what was what with all things Casino, so by the time I went for a test drive I knew the model I thought I wanted. Now I'm not putting down the less expensive Epi model but strewth, having tried that too just to see what the difference was like, I was seriously surprised. That extra dosh for the Inspired By in my view was justified. It's in another league. An interesting thing I picked up at the music shop was that they said the Elite/Elitist had been discontinued. I'd also read on the internet that the US JL was not available either. Have some folks got their wires crossed? An excellect thread, cheers, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I picked up one of the IBJLs last week from MF. I pulled the pickups to peek inside the guitar and found that the pickups are Epiphone USA pickups and not Gibson pickups as indicated on both the Epiphone and MF websites. Both pickups had a sticker on the underside that said "Epiphone USA EP-90". They seem like nice enough pickups and sound great, but that seems like false advertising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animalfarm Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Now that this thread has jumped out of the archives, I didn't want it to get "lost" again, so I've included it in the Lounge "DIY" Sticky with full credit to brianh as OP. It's not really a "DIY" issue, but is VERY useful! Great list! Gotta grab this stuff when it appears...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I decided to send the IBJL back to MF due to a low fret on the neck that resulted on a dead spot that I couldn't live with. I have since picked up an Elitist Casino, so I can offer a hands on comparison between the two guitars. Overall build quality: No comparison as expected. The Elitist seems to be made of much better wood and if you pull the pickups and look inside it looks like more care was taken in the construction. This is no surprise given the price difference. In addition, my IBJL had a bad fret, and one of the pickups was poorly located such that one of the mounting screws was barely into the wood (more in the pickup hole). No reason for this sloppiness in any price range. Pickups: Exactly the same. The IBJL did not have Gibson pickups, contrary to the advertisements. Nut: Way too high on the IBJL. Not a big deal if you know how to file/sand the slots down. Jack, switch, and pots: Elitist is functional but the IBJL are top notch. Full size pots on the IBJL and better jack and switch. Neck: The Elitist neck is much slimmer and narrower than the IBJL. Nut on the Elitist is much narrower, as advertised. However, on the two guitars I had, the string spacing at the nut was basically the same (just a hair under 1-3/8" E to E on both). I definitely preferred the fuller IBJL neck, but the Elitist is still playable for me, and I have long hands. Truss rod on the IBJL turned kind of sloppily compared to the Elitist, although it did the job. Tuners: Grovers on the Elitist and Kluson style on the IBJL (I had the vintage sunburst). Both work great and both guitars held their tune very well. Finish and overall appearance: Both look very nice. The Elitist is not stained as dark on the back and sides so you can see more of the wood grain. Very nice walnut color on the back of the Elitist. Poly on both guitars is not overly thick like on some less expensive guitars. Sound: I didn't have them both at the same time so I couldn't A/B them, but to me they both sounded great and about the same as much as I can recall. I would have expected the Elitist to sound better, but I can't say it does. Other: To my surprise there is a small block of wood under the bridge in the IBJL. This may explain another poster's comment that the Elitist sounded more resonant than the IBJL. This probably helps reduce feedback on the IBJL, and I did notice a tendency of the Elitist to feedback sooner. The IBJL still seemed very resonant though. Overall I think they are both nice guitars. For me the Elitist is worth the extra money to get the better wood and construction, though I preferred the neck and electronic hardware on the IBJL. I am keeping the Elitist, but may buy another IBJL if I can find one without the QC flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 333 Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I picked up one of the IBJLs last week from MF. I pulled the pickups to peek inside the guitar and found that the pickups are Epiphone USA pickups and not Gibson pickups as indicated on both the Epiphone and MF websites. Both pickups had a sticker on the underside that said "Epiphone USA EP-90". They seem like nice enough pickups and sound great' date=' but that seems like false advertising.[/quote'] Gunner, great comparison of the Elitist and inspired by in your post below. As to the pups, whether they are labled "Epiphone USA" or "Gibson," they are the same. Anything "made in the USA" by Epiphone is made by Gibson--Epiphone doesn't manufacture anything for themselves except for overseas. All of the Elitists also had Gibson-made pups labled "Epiphone USA", and they clearly had Gibson-branded equivalents. I wouldn't be put off by it. Red 333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern image Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 I've been GASing for an upgraded Casino for quite some time now - ultimately I would love a Revolution, and the Elitist has always been semi attainable, but the Inspired By Series seem to be priced right....Hope they measure up! the jl model feels made better quality wise. more substantial. the elite; lighter, but really good acoustic tone, and records well. pickups can distort nicely. acoustically the jl i recently traded for sounds less acoustically. but it's probably the one i got. it feels better made however. it actually feels a little heavier as well neck feels thicker than the elite i had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Maybe this can be added to the first post... and to the D-I-Y thread... http://www.epiphone.com/casino/ Well it's about time. Now we can stop fielding all those Casino inquiries and retire the cross reference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Did they get the info from your comparison.............. I hope not, it's full of errors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinksBird Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Brian, thank you for this stellar chart, man! Personally helped me a ton. I'm hunting for an older 80s Riviera, but if I dont find one I was gonna go for the Inspired by JL, but wasn't sure the specs, so thanks sincerely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animalfarm Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Maybe this can be added to the first post... and to the D-I-Y thread... http://www.epiphone.com/casino/ Noted.... Will investigate and make appropriate changes!!!! Thank you! EDIT: Thread TITLE updated in DIY, but will leave thread as a "Stand-Alone", brianH has already added "NEW" link in OP and commented that is IS a new and Improved link to chart. PLUS, THIS thread already has about 4,164 VIEWS! So, folks are used to looking for it when sourcing comparison info, and will most likely go to OP for chart and SEE the UPDATE. Don't fix/change it if it Ain't broke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I hope not, it's full of errors... Yeah that chart is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 Brian, thank you for this stellar chart, man! Personally helped me a ton. I'm hunting for an older 80s Riviera, but if I dont find one I was gonna go for the Inspired by JL, but wasn't sure the specs, so thanks sincerely! Thanks Kink, it was the only way I could figure out which Casino to buy, the available Epi info back then was so sketchy. I ended up with a IBJL myself which I like a lot. I also have a blond 90's MIK Riviera that some day will get loaded with P94s and become a Nick Valensi look alike. Yeah that chart is terrible. Sorry it doesn't meet your high expectations Gunner, I will try to do better in the future.* *not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Sorry it doesn't meet your high expectations Gunner, I will try to do better in the future.* *not Sorry brianh! I misunderstood your post and thought you were saying the chart on the Epiphone web site is full of errors, which it is. Tuners and toggle are wrong on the Elitist, it shows all Casinos have the same neck profile, and it shows the standard set at the 16th fret. Though it may not be perfect, I think your chart is much better and I would expect Epiphone to get it perfect. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 Sorry brianh! I misunderstood your post and thought you were saying the chart on the Epiphone web site is full of errors, which it is. Tuners and toggle are wrong on the Elitist, it shows all Casinos have the same neck profile, and it shows the standard set at the 16th fret. Though it may not be perfect, I think your chart is much better and I would expect Epiphone to get it perfect. Sorry for the misunderstanding. No offence taken, just yanking your chain! I thought we proved long ago that the neck/body join was different. I think I even posted some photos to that effect.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epi1 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Sorry brianh! I misunderstood your post and thought you were saying the chart on the Epiphone web site is full of errors, which it is. Tuners and toggle are wrong on the Elitist, it shows all Casinos have the same neck profile, and it shows the standard set at the 16th fret. Though it may not be perfect, I think your chart is much better and I would expect Epiphone to get it perfect. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Hi Gunner, Thanks for your post and participation in the forum. Regarding the Epiphone.com Casino comparison, current specifications for the regular Casino is that the neck joins the body at the 16th fret like the other Casinos. This change was made 12-18 months ago. If you look at the images of the regular Casino in this feature story, you can see what the current ones look like. The Elitist Casino tuners should be Grover. We'll make that change ASAP. Thanks, Epiphone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerobox94 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Hi Gunner, Thanks for your post and participation in the forum. Regarding the Epiphone.com Casino comparison, current specifications for the regular Casino is that the neck joins the body at the 16th fret like the other Casinos. This change was made 12-18 months ago. If you look at the images of the regular Casino in this feature story, you can see what the current ones look like. The Elitist Casino tuners should be Grover. We'll make that change ASAP. Thanks, Epiphone If it's joined at the 16th fret now, what was it joined at before? The 17th fret? And does it affect tone at all if mine was joined at the 17th fret? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted July 2, 2011 Author Share Posted July 2, 2011 If it's joined at the 16th fret now, what was it joined at before? The 17th fret? And does it affect tone at all if mine was joined at the 17th fret? Yes, 17th fret. Here's a pic of one built that way: I don't know that it makes all that much difference tone-wise, but it does give you an extra fret of neck access. Regarding the Epiphone.com Casino comparison, current specifications for the regular Casino is that the neck joins the body at the 16th fret like the other Casinos. This change was made 12-18 months ago. If you look at the images of the regular Casino in this feature story, you can see what the current ones look like. The Elitist Casino tuners should be Grover. We'll make that change ASAP. For the record, I was refering to MY spreadsheet being full of errors. Thanks Epi1 for posting the new cross reference, and making the corrections. It might be helpful to add a column with the pre-2010 standard 17th fret Casinos just to avoid confusion with the current 16th fret models. Also, a row indicating the years in production for each type would be nice. Just a suggestion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzoboy Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 After seeing the beautiful '61 with the vibrato I really gotta have one-now if I could only convince the Missus that it's a necessary purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animalfarm Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Hi brian, Thanks for your post and participation in the forum. In recognition of your outstanding contributions, we'll be sending you a BIG, FAT CHECK and several certificates for FREE Guitars and AMPS. We have also noted that your are not on our christmas card list, sorry. We'll make that change ASAP. Thanks, Epiphone All I have to do, is DREAM, DREAM, DREAM....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted July 4, 2011 Author Share Posted July 4, 2011 Hi Brian, Thanks for your post and participation in the forum. In recognition of your outstanding contributions, we'll be sending you a BIG, FAT CHECK and several certificates for FREE Guitars and AMPS. We have also noted that your are not on our christmas card list, sorry. We'll make that change ASAP. Thanks, Epiphone Hi Epi1, thanks very much, but I must decline your generous offer. When I joined this forum I took a vow of poverty, and regretably cannot accept any compensation for my efforts. However, if it's not too much trouble, I would be very pleased to receive advance notice of the Genesis reissue series availability. And, should a GOLDTOP version become available for testing and comparison to the originals, I would be happy to offer my services, post a few sound clips, and offer my studio for an unlimited period of "storage". Best Regards, Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicmaker99 Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Of course these are the current country of origin(s). If you decide to make the list a comprehensive one for those considering buying used then the std Casino would be Korea and China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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