Chris the Gent Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I'm deffo going to get one or the other, just trying to decide which? the thing is I love both of them, but dont have the money for both, and as theyre the same price:-k any suggestions about which i should go for would be greatful, - Chris, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicester35 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 This will probably provoke howls of outrage from Casino owners, but I'd go with the Lucille. I think that any 335 style guitar is more versatile than a true hollow-body, especially when equipped with humbuckers rather than P90s. Simply put: a 335-esque guitar always has that semi-hollow vibe, but you can also coax out some of the sustain you'd expect from an SG, Les Paul, etc. Also, it won't feed back as easily as the Casino. If you play through a high-gain amp, this is something you would especially want to think about. In other words, I'd be very happy to have a Casino in conjunction with a Sheraton, Lucille or Dot...but not instead of. P.S. How are things in sunny Sunderland? I used to make it up to the Stadium of Light at least once a season when Leicester City and Sunderland were in the same division...but you're playing a little above us these days. Still, I reckon we'll make the play-offs this year, so maybe next season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I'd go with the Casino. Why? I love the sound of the P90 pickups, and the Casino is very light (about 6 lbs). But it depends on the kind of music you are going to play. Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoop Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Depends what you're using it for. If you require more sustain and versatility, then a Dot, or a Lucille, or any of those semi hollows will do well. If you're after a really nice, glassy clean tone, almost acoustic like, and a kind of fuzzy low fi-esque sound when distorted, then the Casino is the one for you. Other benefits of a Dot or a Semi hollow include the neck being jointed differently, at a higher fret, so you get better upper fret access than that of a Casino. Maybe check out some YouTube vids of these guitars in action if you can't go and play them yourself. That should give you an idea of what you can use them for. I myself am probably going to be purchasing a Casino in the near future. I have my SG and, to a slightly lesser extent, my Firebird, for playing stuff that requires more sustain, crunch, power, and that humbucker tone, and a Strat which is great for clean stuff. The Casino will go in the 'clean' pile too, mostly. Not that it isn't good for distortion, but it tends to feedback. Besides, I want to make use of the acoustic properties of the full hollow body, that jangly, twangy, clean sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickyfiddle Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I LOVE my casino, but if I could only have that or a 335-type, i'd go for the 335. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 What Swoop said, basically. They may look similar but they're two guitars built for two fairly different things. Just depends on taste and your preferred style of playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelake07 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Flip a coin, buy one now and buy the other one later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Between those two..."Lucille," for just the upper fret access! Casino's are great (truly), however the tonal variety, and upper fret access, would lead me to recommend "Lucille!" IF...you love P-90's over Humbuckers, then the Riviera P-93 LE would be great. It has good upper fret access, a sustain block, inside (like Lucille), f-holes (like a Casino), and P-90's (3 of them) for that Casino tone, and with the right settings, even "Gretsch" like tones. So, just another alternative, for you. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midiman56 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Add another vote for "Lucille" here. I'm just not feeling this current batch of Casinos at all. The feel like they are made out of Balsa wood and have about as much grain in them as a piece of cardboard (obviously I'm talking about the natural finish ... the cherry and sunbust look better, but are still just as light and "flimsy" feeling). Now if you're looking at Elitist models or possibly the new JL Inspired when it comes out, then my opinion will possible change. I am referring to the standard model with these comments. Lucille is a fine instrument, playing as well as (quite obviously) looking. It has some weight to it and feels very solid ... tone for days! Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the Gent Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 Thanks for all the comments fella's, this is getting trickier by the post, the kind of music i'll be playing will be classic rock, but with blues thrown in. How would Lucille sound playing rock? I'm going towards the Lucille for the varitone and the looks are killer.......not saying that the the casino lacks looks......!!! Saying get one now and the other later may well be easier said than done, however i may need to go down that route to quench my gas, but which one first?? the Riviera P-93 LE would be great. not another decision P.S. How are things in sunny Sunderland? I used to make it up to the Stadium of Light at least once a season when Leicester City and Sunderland were in the same division...but you're playing a little above us these days. Still, I reckon we'll make the play-offs this year, so maybe next season... everything is rosey in Sunderland at the minute, i'm hoping for a mediocre season, no relegation battles for once would be nice, hopefully see Leicester soon..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the Gent Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 has anyone used the stereo out puts on the Lucille? how does this work exactly and how does it sound? - Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeler Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Could you please show the rear access of the Lucille? Is there really a feedback problem with the ES-335, I mean it's been used in so many ways, hi gain and lo? Do people really use the varitone? BB King doesn't AFAIK. The only Lucille I've tried was anchor heavy. So that's why I was never interested in them. So I got the black Alleykat for my "BB King" look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Actually BB does use the varitone, his favorite setting is 2. The varitone is quite versatile, as you can almost get a single coil sound at the farthest settings. A 335 will feedback more easily than a solidbody but not as easy as you'd think. Back in the day some guys would stuff the F holes with towels to reduce this, but with the lack of F-holes Lucille doesn't really feedback. I played a Casino, and even at Low volume if you are close to the amp it will feed back since it has no center block like 335s. This is the Gibson version, but the epi's panel looks just like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrds1965 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Having owned both, Lucille is the most versatile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzoboy Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I must say I can't entirely agree with MIDImans opinion of the natural Casino.I have an'08 natural and the grain is vivid and flawless,it is light but a tad heavier than my John Lennon yet feels solid in my hands.The sound is true Casino but it doesn't have quite the sparkle of the J.L. I imagine that has some thing to do with the $2000 price difference.I guess as with many guitars made in China the build quality is far from consistant.You may try 5 or 6 MIC Casinos and find a huge difference in quality from one to another.The choice between a Lucille and would be difficult but I guess as stated in other posts it depends on your type of music and what sounds and feels good to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the Gent Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 thanks guys, looks like that Lucille may be the one then - Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 thanks guys' date=' looks like that Lucille may be the one then - Chris.[/quote'] Good luck and HNGD when it comes!!! And don't forget to post pictures so we can all drool on our keyboards. Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanH Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 How about two other hats to throw in to the ring? Although I have no experience with this guitar, the Sheraton II seems to get a lot of praise on here and, unlike the Lucille, it's not a Gibson 'copy'. On the minus side there is no chicken switch. However, another Epiphone designed model is the Wildkat and I can speak from experience on this one. The Wildkat can give you jazz tones on the neck P90, rockabilly on the bridge P90, and then with both pups on together (volumes 3/10 neck and 10/10 bridge) you can get a fatter humbucker style sound. This can then get you in to '70s rock, '80s metal and even speed/thrash metal if you want to and there's no muddiness to go with it. How's that for versatile.........and........,like the Riviera P93 suggested above, the Wildkat has looks to die for (and the Bigsby): Wildkat Specs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Actually BB does use the varitone' date=' his favorite setting is 2. The varitone is quite versatile, as you can almost get a single coil sound at the farthest settings. A 335 will feedback more easily than a solidbody but not as easy as you'd think. Back in the day some guys would stuff the F holes with towels to reduce this, but with the lack of F-holes Lucille doesn't really feedback. I played a Casino, and even at Low volume if you are close to the amp it will feed back since it has no center block like 335s. This is the Gibson version, but the epi's panel looks just like this: [img']http://www.larkstreetmusic.com/list/pict/blucilled.jpg[/img] Well...Yogi, we can see where (on the neck) you prefer to play! ;>) Do a lot of "B.B. King," do you? (Smile) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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