Chris the Gent Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Hi Guys, could i ask for your expertise and ask if you think this is a fake? it looks pretty good to me, but I'm no expert, the price is a sure give away that it is a fake? Les Paul - Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoop Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Control knobs look misaligned, and the neck volume control sits higher than the tailpiece. Also, when did Epiphone start using a two screw truss rod cover? And yep, if the price is too good to be true, then it probably is. I'd say it's illegitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AS90 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Yes, its a fake, and it wont be in the UK either. But that top looks stunning!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animalfarm Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I'm not picking up "good vibes" from this seller - ZERO feedback (I've dealt with 2 zero F/B sellers, one was great, second one shipped guitar in nothing but gig bag, of course arrived damaged. And seller disappeared off radar. I was able to repair damage. JERK! Member since 29 SEP 09. Click on "see other items", strangely enough, seller has FOUR "NEW" Zakk Wylde EPIs AND the guitar you're asking about, along with various stuff, and NO FEEDBACK? (I realize everyone has to start somewhere, but...). I would send question asking WHERE the guitar will ship from because you wish to know how long it will take, and WHICH Carrier. If carrier is EMS or similar name, it's coming from China, henceforth, FAKE. The gits LOOK nice, but to have access to so many NEW ones...????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freak show Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I'm not picking up "good vibes" from this seller - Me either. Try to avoid eBay sellers who have "wang" in their user-names. (wangyokrd01909 ( 0 )) nomen est omen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender 4 Life Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I'm not liking that big square nut........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken361 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 bridge is not on a slant either:-({|= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson4life Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Totally FAKE, because it has a quilt top, not the flame top it supposed to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vomer Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 The seller now has one feedback, private sale so the buyer not identified, which reads, "Exllect and great guitar,quikly deliverly A+++++" Well that's all right then, we can trust him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the Gent Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 He now has 2 feedback, both say he is really good and good items, both of his customers have no feedback tho, how strange, :- ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freak show Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Check out the auctions for those guitars he supposedly "sold"! http://completed.shop.ebay.co.uk/wangyokrd01909/m.html?V4SOI&_ipg=25&_sop=12&_since=15&LH_Complete=1&guest=1 Evidently he sold two Zack Les Pauls, each for 1 cent! Velly, velly god and hellful seller, I like him lot! EDIT: I just reported him. It will be interesting to see whether eBay actually stops this bogus auction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the Gent Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 would it be worth buying one for 1p? leave him negative feedback saying that its a fake and warning others, modding the hell out of it, try my hand at refinishing etc etc......... anyway, it must be a genuine Epi, it says so on his add........:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freak show Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 would it be worth buying one for 1p? leave him negative feedback saying that its a fake and warning others' date=' modding the hell out of it, try my hand at refinishing etc etc.........[/quote'] That's the problem. YOU would never get one for a penny. Those are people who left bids for HIM. If someone outbids them, he sells a fake guitar for a profit. If nobody else bids, as was the case in these two previous auctions, he "sells" a guitar for a cent and pays the commission on a cent whilst still getting a positive feedback he can use to deceive the next buyers. If you can get one for a cent, I say "Go for it", but it will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vomer Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I flagged this to ebay 24 hours ago and they let the auction run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamm7215 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 jeez I just had a browse at tradetang.com, amazed these guys haven't been shut down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Hi guys. I'm pretty sure this is one of the guitars from the TradeTang.com website. check it out. All gibsons and epiphones are on there as well as fenders, dean, everything. This is probably one of those as they are somehow connected through ebay. and the price is about the same, the average guitar there is 250-340 USD. There are 2 types of fakes from china. One is a total knockoff, made by a makeshift factory and they are total crap. The other type of fake is the one that is made in the same factory that makes the real chinese Epiphones, they just make more than Gibson/Epiphone orders and sell the overage through dealers on Tradetang.com. This applies to any product made in china. Most fakes are made in the same factory as the real ones, just made afterhours, but many are total garbage. As someone who does a lot of business with china and has chinese business partners, its my opinion that you should not buy any of these excellent bargains. I lived in and spend a lot of time in Asia and I know knockoffs better than you can imagine. If you can't play it first, buying a guitar from one of these "dealers" is a big mistake. In China, once they get your money, you can forget about customer service or returns. There is no such thing in china. its COD and get lost after you pay. Good Luck Byron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 p.s. I know this is supposed to be in England, but I would bet my left distortion pedal that the seller is chinese. Byron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animalfarm Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Hmmmm.... It appears that Mr. "Wang-yok" is NO LONGER A REGISTERED USER??? "He" did manage to rack up $1250 GBP plus small sales during the last few days. Link to Items Sold: http://completed.shop.ebay.co.uk/wangyokrd01909/m.html?V4SOI&_ipg=25&_sop=12&guest=1&_since=15&LH_Complete=1&V4SOI=&guest=1 Sure did sell lots of stuff for .01$ (GBP - a pence?), including a couple of Zakk Gits (Err, make that "look like Zakk Gits"). Have to agree with Old Scratch, buy a git for a "penny"? Let's see.... Hey, I have a dollar bill - I'll take 20 or 30, and could you combine shipping charges, pls? What's the general consensus - Did Ebay ACTUALLY revoke selling rights, or did the person BAIL OUT (Initial Ebay contact told them the "jig was up"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vomer Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I'm hoping ebay take fake warnings (no, you know what I mean) seriously. It must be a vulnerable legal position for ebay if a buyer finds out they've been sold a fake after ebay have been warned. That LP was showing as having sold for, I think, £200. I hope the buyer didn't pay, or got a quick refund. Imagine them posting here, "Hi, I'm new on the forum, just scored a Les Paul..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Summerisle Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I'm hoping ebay take fake warnings (no' date=' you know what I mean) seriously. It must be a vulnerable legal position for ebay if a buyer finds out they've been sold a fake after ebay have been warned. [/quote'] I wish that were the case. Unfortunately... "EBay Inc. scored an important victory in court Monday, as a federal judge said companies such as jeweler Tiffany & Co., not auction platforms such as eBay, are responsible for policing their trademarks online." See: http://www.startribune.com/business/25451214.html?page=1&c=y The situation in Europe is much the same: http://www.out-law.com/page-10013 ...including the UK - http://www.out-law.com/page-10039 Epiphone's problem...the buyer's problem...not e-bay's problem. Hopefully a duped seller could get his or her money back via Pay Pal or their credit card issuer. Notice I said "hopefully." Proviso: this ain't legal advice. I'm not a lawyer...just a humble librarian... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vomer Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Blimey. Great links Lord S. "Mere supplying with knowledge and intent will not be enough to make the supplier himself an infringer or a joint tortfeasor with someone who is," Got to wonder what would. A special category? Musical Instruments > Guitars > Fakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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