charlie brown Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Well, I've now been the proud owner, of my Riviera P-93LE for just over a year, now. I just did a A/B with my Gibson "Lucille" (for fun), and aside from the obvious "Bling" differences, and tone (Humbucker's vs P-90's)...it holds up, quite well, against the more expensive Gibby! Playability, is almost identical. The Rosewood board on the Riviera, vs. the Ebony on "Lucille" makes some difference, but not a tremedous amout...IMHO. They are both quite versatile in tonal possibilities. Lucille, with the Varitone, and the Riviera, with it's 3 P-90's, and 3-volume and 1 master tone control, both add up to a remarkable amount of versatility, from both instruments. The Riviera, could well be, the "Best 500 bucks" I've spent, on a guitar... all things considered! And, as I suspected, Epiphone has (for this model, anyway...and based on photos of recent Dot's and Sheratons...even the Casino) gone back to it's original (Kalamazoo) body shapes. The Riviera outline is Identical to my Gibson "Lucille." That was always one (little) "carp" I had with the "generic" body shapes, of previous Asian made Epi's. But...I'm "picky" that way. So...the love affair, with my Riviera, continues! Cheers, CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Maybe we're out of touch, but it seems like we prefer the guitars that Epiphone wants to make in limited runs, and yawn over all of the Slash stuff that is being hyped. I do prefer offbeat things (characters are welcome), so maybe we just like being different. That said, I don't know anyone who owns a Slash model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxHart85231281734137 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 hey there Im about 6 months in on mine and I have to say at first I had a love hate relationship with the guitar, it prob took a month or to for me to get used to its feel, me dot had a much fatter neck, and my tele does as well so at first i didnt like it, It took me a while to get the action and everything where I wanted it, but as of right now its hard to get me not to play it, the bigsby is killllller, I now want bigsbys for everything I own, I finally got the guitar the way I like and am well ajusted to the feel of the neck, and where to rest my hand to mute strings, ive fall'n in love with it I want more RIVIERAS!!!!! EPI MAKE MORE MODELS IN THIS PRICE RANGE I WILL BUY THEM ALL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 cookieman got two slash-lp's' date=' the Gibby and the Epi - autographedbut I think he got it for free[crying'] Peter yeah i won them and still don't know what to do with them. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 Just one year ago? I guess it was the 59th birthday present[biggrin] BTW belated best wishes! Peter You guessed it, Peter...a birthday present, to myself. (And, how did you know I like "Asian girls?")...LOL! Well...ANY girls, really. I actually did the "Lucille" / Riviera A/B because I was playing "Lucille" at the time, and it has a pretty "beef" neck, much like the one on the Riviera. So, going back and forth, in that respect, was easy. All the other things I noticed/discovered, were just icing on the (belated) "birthday" cake, I guess? ;>) Great guitars, both! For the price point, the Riviera, is amazing! I think I was "lucky," in that my Riviera was set up, pretty well, actually...from the factory. The only thing I did, was lower the action (very slightly) to "MY" preference, and raise the middle pickup pole screws, for more volume, and that's it...so far, anyway. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungrycat Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 yeah i won them and still don't know what to do with them. lol You could send me the Gibby one....:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungrycat Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 You could send me the Gibby one....:- No. Really. I want your Gibson. You ever want to sell it, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrirlupus Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Maybe we're out of touch' date=' but it seems like we prefer the guitars that Epiphone wants to make in limited runs, and yawn over all of the Slash stuff that is being hyped. I do prefer offbeat things (characters are welcome), so maybe we just like being different. That said, I don't know anyone who owns a Slash model.[/quote']I guess it's just because people here tend to value uniqueness over conformity? Sure, you could be just like some big famous guitarist, or you could be unique... (of course, the BB king lucille guitar seems to be an exception, but even still, it's unique- no F holes on a 335 style body, varitone... the slash les paul guitars are just regular les pauls that say "slash" on 'em...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrirlupus Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 yeah i won them and still don't know what to do with them. lol And to think, I chose not to enter that contest because I wouldn't know what to do with those guitars... Anyway, I think you should either keep them until nobody knows who slash is anymore, including people who used to listen to him... Or you could sell 'em and buy a guitar that you think will gain more value over its life... Your call... And how much were you taxed for that win? (not only does uncle sam like to take a chunk of what's earned, he likes to take a portion of the unearned...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Summerisle Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 And how much were you taxed for that win? (not only does uncle sam like to take a chunk of what's earned' date=' he likes to take a portion of the unearned...)[/quote'] Maybe that's because Uncle Sam is still paying off a $700 Billion military escapade in Iraq, coupled with shouldering the cost of reconstructing that country. Meanwhile...the Chinese have already begun the domination of the oil exploitation business in Iraq (see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8263218.stm ) I owe W an apology. Back in 2002 I cynically thought the war in Iraq was all about his (American) oil buddies profiting from Iraq's oil. Now I see it was an exercise to further enrich China for some or other reason....perhaps because they currently hold nearly $800 Billion in US Treasury Bonds (source: http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt) and are starting to worry that maybe they've taken up with a deadbeat debtor..who knows? All of this is now largely academic anyway, given that the economic stimuli so forcefully demanded by both Presidents Bush and Obama is now hovering somewhere short of $3.5 Trillion...So yes, I guess the IRS needs to chase after those prize-winnings and hunt down any waitress who isn't rendering unto Ceaser the bulk of her tips. Of course, those who should be kicking in a few bucks more stash their loot offshore in the Cayman Islands and offer up a parsimonious tax return...but hey, if you're connected what's the problem with that? It's just sound business practice, surely... Apologies, rant over. Where were we? Oh yes, Charlie - always liked those Rivieras. Glad yours is still making you happy one year on... Johnny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unreal77 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I love mine and plan to expand on the riviera family. Yes it is also nice to see that the shape of the dots and the sheratons is right the way it is now. They looked too "mickey mouse" before and I hated it. I want a riv with the full sized HBS and one with the minis. P93 highly recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicester35 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Don't think those Rivieras every made it to England unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeper Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Signed by Slash? You know that'll come off right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrirlupus Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Maybe that's because Uncle Sam is still paying off a $700 Billion military escapade in Iraq' date=' coupled with shouldering the cost of reconstructing that country. Meanwhile...the Chinese have already begun the domination of the oil exploitation business in Iraq (see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8263218.stm ) I owe W an apology. Back in 2002 I cynically thought the war in Iraq was all about his (American) oil buddies profiting from Iraq's oil. Now I see it was an exercise to further enrich China for some or other reason....perhaps because they currently hold nearly $800 Billion in US Treasury Bonds (source: http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt) and are starting to worry that maybe they've taken up with a deadbeat debtor..who knows? All of this is now largely academic anyway, given that the economic stimuli so forcefully demanded by both Presidents Bush and Obama is now hovering somewhere short of $3.5 Trillion...So yes, I guess the IRS needs to chase after those prize-winnings and hunt down any waitress who isn't rendering unto Ceaser the bulk of her tips. Of course, those who should be kicking in a few bucks more stash their loot offshore in the Cayman Islands and offer up a parsimonious tax return...but hey, if you're connected what's the problem with that? It's just sound business practice, surely... [img']http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/zerglin/Smileys/Rant.gif[/img] Apologies, rant over. Where were we? Oh yes, Charlie - always liked those Rivieras. Glad yours is still making you happy one year on... Johnny. Well, I won't defend bush's deficits, but Obama already has more and he hasn't even been in office for one year... As if borrowing more will get us out of a hole that was dug by borrowing... And now he wants to create a trillion dollar entitlement program in the midst of a recession, and that's on top of an 11 trillion dollar debt... Then there's the tax hikes (yes, i'm talking about on the "rich." being income taxes, they tax only people who are earning money... ie. business owners and other high level employees... Not all CEO's are corrupt, you just never hear about the good guys...), and the new taxes that will be put into place with the health care bill... We paid people to turn in their old cars to be destroyed... (so much for first time car owners being middle class...) Oh, and after the big bush tax cuts for the rich, tax revenues went up... for a couple of reasons. first, they were willing to invest more money, because they had more. that stimulated the economy. second, less of them bothered finding loopholes in tax laws, because they no longer needed them to run their business AND have the take-home income of a business owner... but alas, government seems unconcerned about actual revenues, they just want to punish those evil rich bastards that EMPLOY the rest of us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrirlupus Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 And i still want to know what the taxes were... I know NECESSARY does count as an answer, but i was talking quantity, not quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxHart85231281734137 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 so you guys like your riviera's to huh?............................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unreal77 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 It's called socialism. And by the way, Riviera's rock the free world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardog Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 i am just over a yr with mines. I have learned alot in my guitar studies. To be honest i have not played my p-93 in months. call it being a chicken, I want to increase my skill to give it justice when i take it out the case the next time. It is a monster of a guitar. I am very happy with it. And love to hear it played by people i know with more skill. Listening to them play it gives me inspiration to get better and be able to do it justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Summerisle Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 but alas' date=' government seems unconcerned about actual revenues, they just want to punish those evil rich bastards that EMPLOY the rest of us...[/quote'] For the most part, those "evil rich bastards that EMPLOY the rest of us" flat out own the government that claims to represent us. I found a fascinating little book the other day: Unfortunately, the subtitle (Put your money where your values are) turns out to be a horrible paradox. There rarely are any choices to make, because the wealthy themselves rarely "choose" - they just seek to control. Page 52 of the book lists the Top 10 Republican Contributors: General Electric Corporation, Bank of America, J.P Morgan Chase, Blue Cross and Blue Shield, Capital One Finance Corporation, Citigroup Inc and so on... The same page also lists the Top 10 Democratic Contributors: General Electric Corporation, Bank of America, J.P Morgan Chase, Blue Cross and Blue Shield, Capital One Finance Corporation, Citigroup Inc...erm, hang on, I think I've seen this list somewhere before... "Honorable" exceptions (if you like) to this general corporate rule of simply seeking influence with whomever is in government include Wal-Mart (overwhelmingly Republican), and Costco (overwhelmingly Democratic). At least they apply their money in a partisan way...It would be a cheap dig to needlessly point out that Costco is also the most union-friendly retailer whereas Wal-Mart is an out-and-out union-buster...a cheap dig, but I'll make it anyway. So, fellow Liberals ('Comrades', perhaps...) - please buy your huge bundles of bathroom tissue and paper towels from Costco not Sam's Club... All of which is by-the-by. FenrirLupus, you seem to worry about the fortunes of the wealthy. I shouldn't trouble yourself too much on their behalf, the wealthy will do just fine. This is true of whatever political philosophy prevails. Liberal and socialist politicians may offer the correct-sounding platitudes to the great unwashed - but most certainly don't expect to share in their lifestyles. In a peculiar way Bush was far more honest when he cheerfully extended his camaraderie to his select, invited group of "the haves and the have-mores." Unfettered capitalism produces nothing but winners and losers. And the more unrestrained it is, the more the winner / loser ratio lurches towards a 1% : 99% division. Proportionality is all that is needed. You don't suddenly become rampantly socialist by asking the rich to kick in a few more bucks than the poor. _______ Erm...apologies to the original poster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloozeguy Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Well' date=' I've now been the proud owner, of my Riviera P-93LEfor just over a year, now. I just did a A/B with my Gibson "Lucille" (for fun), and aside from the obvious "Bling" differences, and tone (Humbucker's vs P-90's)...it holds up, quite well, against the more expensive Gibby! Playability, is almost identical. The Rosewood board on the Riviera, vs. the Ebony on "Lucille" makes some difference, but not a tremedous amout...IMHO. They are both quite versatile in tonal possibilities. Lucille, with the Varitone, and the Riviera, with it's 3 P-90's, and 3-volume and 1 master tone control, both add up to a remarkable amount of versatility, from both instruments. The Riviera, could well be, the "Best 500 bucks" I've spent, on a guitar... all things considered! And, as I suspected, Epiphone has (for this model, anyway...and based on photos of recent Dot's and Sheratons...even the Casino) gone back to it's original (Kalamazoo) body shapes. The Riviera outline is Identical to my Gibson "Lucille." That was always one (little) "carp" I had with the "generic" body shapes, of previous Asian made Epi's. But...I'm "picky" that way. So...the love affair, with my Riviera, continues! Cheers, CB [/quote'] Seems we've gotten a bit off topic here, but, putting politics aside for just a teeny while, I'd like to know how this baby compares/contrasts with the Valensi P94 Riv (they still available?). Not so much in specs (easy to see!) but more in terms of performance, sound, playability, musical styles best suited, etc. IOWs, a "road test." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloozeguy Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 For the most part' date=' those "evil rich bastards that EMPLOY the rest of us" flat out [b']own[/b] the government that claims to represent us. I found a fascinating little book the other day: Unfortunately, the subtitle (Put your money where your values are) turns out to be a horrible paradox. There rarely are any choices to make, because the wealthy themselves rarely "choose" - they just seek to control. Page 52 of the book lists the Top 10 Republican Contributors: General Electric Corporation, Bank of America, J.P Morgan Chase, Blue Cross and Blue Shield, Capital One Finance Corporation, Citigroup Inc and so on... The same page also lists the Top 10 Democratic Contributors: General Electric Corporation, Bank of America, J.P Morgan Chase, Blue Cross and Blue Shield, Capital One Finance Corporation, Citigroup Inc...erm, hang on, I think I've seen this list somewhere before... "Honorable" exceptions (if you like) to this general corporate rule of simply seeking influence with whomever is in government include Wal-Mart (overwhelmingly Republican), and Costco (overwhelmingly Democratic). At least they apply their money in a partisan way...It would be a cheap dig to needlessly point out that Costco is also the most union-friendly retailer whereas Wal-Mart is an out-and-out union-buster...a cheap dig, but I'll make it anyway. So, fellow Liberals ('Comrades', perhaps...) - please buy your huge bundles of bathroom tissue and paper towels from Costco not Sam's Club... All of which is by-the-by. FenrirLupus, you seem to worry about the fortunes of the wealthy. I shouldn't trouble yourself too much on their behalf, the wealthy will do just fine. This is true of whatever political philosophy prevails. Liberal and socialist politicians may offer the correct-sounding platitudes to the great unwashed - but most certainly don't expect to share in their lifestyles. In a peculiar way Bush was far more honest when he cheerfully extended his camaraderie to his select, invited group of "the haves and the have-mores." Unfettered capitalism produces nothing but winners and losers. And the more unrestrained it is, the more the winner / loser ratio lurches towards a 1% : 99% division. Proportionality is all that is needed. You don't suddenly become rampantly socialist by asking the rich to kick in a few more bucks than the poor. _______ Erm...apologies to the original poster... :) With all due respects to the intense political debate going on here, GREATGAWDAMIGHTY that's one friggin' bee-yoo-tee-ful pic of this guitar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 Well, not sure how we seem to get off on "Politics," so much...except that it's very much, on everyone's mind, these days! Which is one reason, I prefer to talk about Epiphones, HERE...and leave the Politics, to political forums, or at least a political thread, in the "lounge" of this forum, if needed/desired. But...that's just Me! ;>b And, yes...that is a beautiful photo, of a Great guitar, which was the original subject, of this thread. LOL! ;>) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 LS, thanks for the note about the book. I'll have to get a hold of it so I can patronize stores that give my money to both parties, thereby making my purchases party neutral. I guess Wal-mart didn't contribute enough to McCain last year... More importantly, what's up with the poles on that P93? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 Apparently, the people that own that particular guitar, needed more "Volume/definition(?)" from the bridge pickup! LOL! Can't move the pickups, up or down (except, by adding or removing, spacers). But yeah...that looks a bit "over the top," for adjusting the pole screws! ;>b CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallye44 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 More importantly' date=' what's up with the poles on that P93?[/quote']That's actually a "stock photo" of a "pre-production" version. The actual guitars have a spacer under the bridge PU, so the pole pieces don't stick up like that. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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