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It seems my new source on the 'bay (ebay) is a proud dealer of Wilkinson guitar hardware

 

I had the crap-iphone klusson styled tuners on my LP classic quilt top in my avatar and they really as you all know were very very subpar. Slipping gears, dodgy, inconsistent turns... the whole nine yards.

 

I purchased Wilkinson Deluxe vintage style tuners for the upgrade.

 

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I hereby recommend these whole-heartedly.

 

Better than the GFS klusson style tuners that I so willingly advocate.

 

I'd had these in my parts bin for about 8 months now, but was just tooooo lazy to get around to doing the swap.[biggrin]

 

I regret waiting!

 

How many of you guys LOVE the klusson style keys, but hated the earlier epiphone version that got scrapped in favor of the much nicer grover rotomatics??

 

hah.

 

I depleted my modder's budget and my "merry xmas to me" fund. :-

 

yeah, a blackheart handsome devil and 3 sets of these tuning machines and 3 sets of graphtech saddles and nuts will do that pretty darn quick. My babies will enjoy it though.

 

speaking of grovers... Anybody interested in purchasing 2 sets of Chrome Rotomatics from me? I won't be needing them... $30 bux a set and I'll ship for free! [biggrin]

 

Let's talk tuners, fella's!

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Grovers are much better made than the Kluson green key copies Epi used to fit. Having said that, I've owned 4 Epis with those green keys, and although they felt cheap and loose, they didn't slip. As long as your stringing technique was good, I found they stayed in tune.

 

Another thing in their favour is their light weight - Grovers increase the tendency for "neck dive". I've just swapped the Grovers off my Alleykat for the Gibson Deluxe Klusons on my Gibson LP Special for that reason. The Alleykat was slightly neck-heavy before, now the balance is better.

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I want to change the Rotomatics on my new Les Paul to some cream tulip Kluson style tuners. Which is better, Grovers, or the proper Kluson brand ones? The Kluson ones are about $30NZ cheaper. Also, I will of course need adaptor bushings. What size are the original holes in the headstock for the Rotomatics? 10mm? just so I know what size adaptors to get. 10 or 11mm is available.

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All the Epis I changed out were 10mm. I put Grover Vintage Green Keystones on a few guitars, they were a direct drop in. The back case of the tuner didn't totally cover the the existing hole, which didn't line up. Not a big deal.

 

Personally I like the Grover tuners on the Epis, but I don't like the kidney buttons. I got some tulip shaped buttons that fit the Grovers from All Parts for $15 plus shipping for a few other guitars I have. Much cheaper than new tuners and I have never had any problems with the Grover tuners.

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I just cant justify $60 for the grover gibson deluxe's.

 

I like the modern look of just adding tulip buttons, but... I just dont like the big chunky grovers on a LP or SG.

 

My SG is neck heavy enough...

 

The wilkinson deluxe klusson style are just so tight feeling in comparisson to the Epi green key tuners... And for only $22 the switch is affordable... even if someday i decide to throw the grovers back on.

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^Do the Wilkinson ones line up with the existing set screw in the back of the headstock? I don't really want to have the old holes exposed.

 

Also' date=' where did you get your Wilkinson ones from?[/quote']

 

I don't know about the Wilkinsons, but the GFS Kluson style tuners do. You just need to get the larger bushings that they sell. At least they did on the G-400 I put them on.

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they drop in perfectly if u are replacing the epiphone klusson styled tuners. if you've got grovers you'll need the conversion bushings from GFS and drill new holes.

I got my wilkinsons off ebay from a seller called MMGTenterprises or something.

search "vintage bell style wilkinson"

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Yep, I understand I'll need the conversion bushings. My local supplier stocks them for a couple of bucks a set. But will the Wlikinsons cover the existing anchor screw holes in the back of the headstock? I don't really want any unsightly holes in the back of my headstock. I don't mind drilling new holes, but I don't want to leave old ones exposed.

 

That seller looks good, and ships internationally. I'm after the ones with the cream plastic buttons though. Not keen on metal or greenish ones. The cream/ivory ones will match better with the cream binding and plastics on the LP.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Wilkinson-Deluxe-Tuners-Vintage-Bell-CHROME-3-3_W0QQitemZ390129121523QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item5ad581f8f3

Good price that too. Works out to be $40NZ including shipping! I can get them from my local supplier for $60NZ including postage, plus the adaptor bushings. They're not in stock at the moment though and I'm not sure if they're the cream or greenish ones. This EBay guy could be the go I think.

 

And going by the measurements on his listing, I think they'll cover the old holes. Perfect.

 

I'll have to keep this guy's name on file, I'll be interested in another set down the line for my Casino.

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Yep' date=' I understand I'll need the conversion bushings. My local supplier stocks them for a couple of bucks a set. But will the Wlikinsons cover the existing anchor screw holes in the back of the headstock? I don't really want any unsightly holes in the back of my headstock. I don't mind drilling new holes, but I don't want to leave old ones exposed.

 

That seller looks good, and ships internationally. I'm after the ones with the cream plastic buttons though. Not keen on metal or greenish ones. The cream/ivory ones will match better with the cream binding and plastics on the LP.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Wilkinson-Deluxe-Tuners-Vintage-Bell-CHROME-3-3_W0QQitemZ390129121523QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item5ad581f8f3

Good price that too. Works out to be $40NZ including shipping! I can get them from my local supplier for $60NZ including postage, plus the adaptor bushings. They're not in stock at the moment though and I'm not sure if they're the cream or greenish ones. This EBay guy could be the go I think.

 

And going by the measurements on his listing, I think they'll cover the old holes. Perfect.

 

I'll have to keep this guy's name on file, I'll be interested in another set down the line for my Casino. [/quote']

 

 

As much as i love the puke green keystones, these creme button wilkinsons are calling to me too!

 

So ive got three sets (for goldie, my g400, and my LP std) on the way as we speak! hah

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Well I just pulled the trigger on a set of these from the seller one EBay. My first ever EBay purchase!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390129121523&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

 

He was having a sale, 10% off, so I figured I should take advantage of that while they're even cheaper. Can't wait to get them and a new set of strings on the LP, should look snazzy!

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It seems my new source on the 'bay (ebay) is a proud dealer of Wilkinson guitar hardware

 

I had the crap-iphone klusson styled tuners on my LP classic quilt top in my avatar and they really as you all know were very very subpar. Slipping gears' date=' dodgy, inconsistent turns... the whole nine yards.

 

I purchased Wilkinson Deluxe vintage style tuners for the upgrade.

 

[img']http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/icantbuyafender/blackklussonstyle.jpg[/img]

 

I hereby recommend these whole-heartedly.

 

Better than the GFS klusson style tuners that I so willingly advocate.

 

I'd had these in my parts bin for about 8 months now, but was just tooooo lazy to get around to doing the swap.:-k

 

I regret waiting!

 

How many of you guys LOVE the klusson style keys, but hated the earlier epiphone version that got scrapped in favor of the much nicer grover rotomatics??

 

hah.

 

 

I just recently changed the stock grovers for a set of "tulip head" grovers. I really like the ones you got, but I cant bring myself to drill a new set of holes on the neck.

 

I have a really silly question. I have seen a few people keep the "inspected by" sticker in the back of their necks, is there a reason for that?

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Well I just pulled the trigger on a set of these from the seller one EBay. My first ever EBay purchase!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390129121523&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

 

He was having a sale' date=' 10% off, so I figured I should take advantage of that while they're even cheaper. Can't wait to get them and a new set of strings on the LP, should look snazzy![/quote']

 

 

swoop, i will take 200% of the regret factor if you do feel like you wasted your money.

 

Thats how confident I am.

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I'm sure I'm going to love them' date=' just wish it wouldn't take so long for them to get here![/quote']

 

 

Just be sure to have a competent person install the conversion bushings if your guitar currently has grovers.

 

I had to widen the holes just a hair to get them to fit in snug.

 

I used a Dremmel rotary tool with a small grinding bit.

 

The top hole is easy to drill since the Grover screw hole lines up with the bottom hole.

 

I cant get over how sturdy and how good they feel.

 

at a good price too.

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I just recently changed the stock grovers for a set of "tulip head" grovers. I really like the ones you got' date=' but I cant bring myself to drill a new set of holes on the neck.

 

I have a really silly question. I have seen a few people keep the "inspected by" sticker in the back of their necks, is there a reason for that? [/quote']

 

 

I just keep the sticker on there cause it looks Legit.

 

I dont take the inspection stickers off, just the "Made in Korea" and "quality control" get peeled off of mine.

 

No real reason whatsoever.

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I'm not up to speed on the new Klusons but the old style with the split string posts like on my 65 Fenders were a dream to use.I never had any problems with string slippage whatsoever,if they still made this type with the same quality I'm sure there'd be no complaints.

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Personally I like the Grover tuners on the Epis' date=' but I don't like the kidney buttons. I got some tulip shaped buttons that fit the Grovers. Much cheaper than new tuners and I have never had any problems with the Grover tuners.[/quote']

 

It's funny you know..years ago, when I was a young lad in the 60s..my Epi Triumph came with the Gibson keystones (tulips) and I wanted desparately to install kidney bean grovers on it.

They worked fine for tuning..but took away some of the "Gibson identity" to the Epis made back then,

by Gibson/Epiphone in Kalamazoo.

 

When I HAD to sell it due to financial constraints, the dealer mentioned that it would have been worth a lot more,

had I left it stock!

Of course, this was almost 40yrs later when that model was no longer made and considered vintage.

 

Now, just like you, I prefer the kluson shaped keystones or the grover Imperial style over the grover kidney shapes..

as they say..what goes around, comes around.

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