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hey guys

 

my peerless factory casino with p90's are quite hot.

 

the bridge is 12k, and the neck 11k. (measuring at the output jack)

 

is this normal.

 

i keep reading that the beatles had low output p90's in theirs.

 

was thinking of swapping them out for mini humbuckers.

 

cheers, billybob.

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hey guys

 

my peerless factory casino with p90's are quite hot.

 

the bridge is 12k' date=' and the neck 11k. (measuring at the output jack)

 

is this normal.

 

i keep reading that the beatles had low output p90's in theirs.

 

was thinking of swapping them out for mini humbuckers.

 

cheers, billybob.[/quote']

 

Every casino Ive tried had a bright bite that could overdrive a tube amp pretty easily

 

Im a guy that likes his single coils LOW output... like 4-6k...

 

11k and 12k is a bit high in my book, but then again epi winds their humbuckers 12k and 15k

 

I'd recommend some nice GFS P90s on the cheap or Lollar/lindy fralin/kent armstrong for premium $ pups

 

swapping to minibuckers is going reduce hum, but also take away from what makes a casino a casino.

 

They have a more strat single coil type high end (without the quack) with not as boomy bottom end.

 

I did the p90 to mini swap in my Les Paul 1956 Gold Top. Couldnt be happier with her! The reduced feedback was the whole point. Plus Im a blues/classic rock guy and mini's just worked.

 

Id think about whether you want the mini sound at the expense of sounding like a casino.

 

Gibson makes a humbucking P90... the P-100. Check those out. Still retain the p90 vibe.

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hey guys

 

thanks for the reply.

 

i have been playing the casino through a marshall bluesbreaker 1998 reissue modded back to clapton era specs with kt66's. and the casino does sound awesome through it. the treble channel can quite easily drive the amp into acdc tones. but thats not really the point of the casino is it?

 

i recently bought a vox ac15h1tv amp. i modded it back to original ac30 top boost & ac30/4 preamp circuits (vox did not reissue it accurately, yes it sounds a lot better now)

 

the ac15h1tv is really designed for lower input pickups, and distorts so quickly with hot pickups. yes i can turn the volume down, but its not the same. so i keen to try different pickups.

 

does anybody know what the output readings were on lennons original casino? maybe i should buy some of the boutique p90s like you suggested.

 

as an alternative (and becasue the australian dollar can buy them so cheap from the usa atm) i was thinking about mini humbuckers and going for a kings of leon sound. the main dude from kol used a vintage ES-325 with mini humbuckers. from my understanding it had a "half block" but was hollow in the second half past the bridge. the truth is that they are so cheap atm i'm tempted to just buy them just to see how they sound.

 

anyone know what output the gibson mini-humbuckers put out?

 

cheers, billybob.

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1. Plug a short guitar cord into the input jack of the guitar.

 

2. Turn both volume knobs all the way up, both tone knobs down.

 

3. Set multimeter to DC and 20K.

 

4. Click toggle switch to neck position, place one meter lead on round "barrel"

of OTHER end of guitar cord, place second lead on pointy "tip" of cord. (There will

be a plastic insulating spacer separating the two).

 

5. This reading is the kilo-ohms resistance of your neck pickup.

 

6. Click toggle switch to bridge position, repeat above process.

 

7. This reading is the kilo-ohms resistance of your bridge pickup.

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hey guys

 

thanks for the reply.

 

i have been playing the casino through a marshall bluesbreaker 1998 reissue modded back to clapton era specs with kt66's. and the casino does sound awesome through it. the treble channel can quite easily drive the amp into acdc tones. but thats not really the point of the casino is it?

 

i recently bought a vox ac15h1tv amp. i modded it back to original ac30 top boost & ac30/4 preamp circuits (vox did not reissue it accurately' date=' yes it sounds a lot better now)

 

the ac15h1tv is really designed for lower input pickups, and distorts so quickly with hot pickups. yes i can turn the volume down, but its not the same. so i keen to try different pickups.

 

does anybody know what the output readings were on lennons original casino? maybe i should buy some of the boutique p90s like you suggested.

 

as an alternative (and becasue the australian dollar can buy them so cheap from the usa atm) i was thinking about mini humbuckers and going for a kings of leon sound. the main dude from kol used a vintage ES-325 with mini humbuckers. from my understanding it had a "half block" but was hollow in the second half past the bridge. the truth is that they are so cheap atm i'm tempted to just buy them just to see how they sound.

 

anyone know what output the gibson mini-humbuckers put out?

 

cheers, billybob.[/quote']

 

My pair of gibson mini humbuckers in my 56 goldtop are : 6.7K neck & 8.1k bridge

 

Very bright focused output with less lows and a higher midrange.

 

Hope that helps.

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thanks for the replies guys

 

i think i am looking from something in the 7-8k range. the gibson mini humbuckers are looking more enticing.

 

i had a look at the lollar site also. they have some appealing p90's with low output also. hmm. what to do- :-

 

cheers, billybob.

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thanks for the replies guys

 

i think i am looking from something in the 7-8k range. the gibson mini humbuckers are looking more enticing.

 

i had a look at the lollar site also. they have some appealing p90's with low output also. hmm. what to do- ;)

 

cheers' date=' billybob.[/quote']

 

the only downside is that it'll take some work to get the creme ring off of the pickup. they (gibby) solder a nut and bolt to the pickup to hold the mounting ring on it. they're meant for LP Deluxes. I'd go with Lollar definately for minis. gibby's may be toooo bright in that guitar.

 

food for thought...

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I searched and found this, supposedly a more accurate version of the method I posted previously. If your using 500K pots, select the pickup you want to test. plug in a guitar cord (shorter the better) and measure the resistance between the lead and the ground. then use the formula

R=(500*m)/(500-m) where R is the resistance of the pickup your looking for and m is the measured value of resistance at the plug.

 

I also tried using the red multimeter lead at the pickup selector switch and the black lead at the pickup baseplate. This method got me 11.38K readings from the neck and bridge pickups individually.

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then use the formula R=(500*m)/(500-m) where R is the resistance of the pickup your looking for and m is the measured value of resistance at the plug.

 

i have heard that there are methods like this one that take into consideration the wiring of the pots and components. its not huge difference. before calculation, 11. after calculation 11.24.

 

are the lollar plastic dogear pickup covers a different shape to the gibson ones? they appear to have flat "ears", not contoured like the gibsons. does anyone have a closeup pic of the lollar dogear cover?

 

cheers

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An Images search on Google for Lollar Dog Ear will show a couple of photos. Did you see this at the Lollar site?

 

The P90 Dog Ear is one of the most problematic pickups to determine which a guitar needs. They also can be difficult to install and adjust.

 

Some guitars have the strings higher off the body than others, if the neck joint is like a traditional archtop with a fingerboard extension, the guitar will often take a tall Dog Ear (my stock item).

 

If the guitar has a neck joint like a Gibson ES 335, the fingerboard is at the same level as the top of the guitar so it needs a short Dog Ear.

 

I make a short version—I don't think anyone else does other than Korea. The short Dog Ear cover is .2” tall with pole spacing of 1 7/8”. The tall pickup cover is .452” tall with pole spacing of- 1 31/32”.

 

ES 5, ES 295’s and early ES 175’s use tall Dog Ears. ES 330’s use a short neck and a tall bridge.

 

Also, Lindy Fralin is selling a hum-cancelling P90 that you might be interested in.

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Luis' date=' once you test, please post your findings!!!

 

Wiz[/quote']

 

 

Wohoo!! The IBJL Revolution casino that i got has a 8.01 ohms on the bridge pickup and a 8.05 ohms on the neck! That is pretty sweet. I guess they really are "Tribute" Gibson P90's [blush]

 

Thanks to bluelake07 for teaching me how to get those ohms! [biggrin]

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RE: bluelake07

That will give you a reading of the pickups' date=' plus the resistance of all the wiring and the cord. Unsolder a pickup and do the test the same way but only use the PU leads not the entire wiring harness and cord. It will be much more accurate.[/quote']

 

Actually, the resistance contributed by the "extra wire" will be virtually nonexistent unless of course they're using a '20 cord. I would plug in a pedal patch cord and not worry about the difference. This would only add a couple of ohms, which when you're talking in the kilo-ohm range is meaningless.

 

Cheers

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Actually' date=' the resistance contributed by the "extra wire" will be virtually nonexistent unless of course they're using a '20 cord. I would plug in a pedal patch cord and not worry about the difference. This would only add a couple of ohms, which when you're talking in the kilo-ohm range is meaningless.

 

Cheers

 

 

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This is good to know. I only used a patch cable. :)

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