singlecoil Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 http://houston.craigslist.org/msg/1532752077.html First is this Casino in link above real and is the price reasonable. There doesn't seem to be a COA on it. There is one on ^bay for 2900.00 the seller claims his is a way better guitar. Than there the One for 999.00 and the Elitest. Which model is the one to Buy. I don't want to say money isn't an issue it always is. What I am asking is what am I getting better for the limited edition compared to the thousand dollar one or the elitest. It's been my experience in the past that Elitest are often Poly finish instead of Nitro. Is that the case with the Casinos So if you could buy any one of the 3 available which one. Any help is appreciated. By the way I am new. Glad to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantana Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 As a general consensus, the Revolution Casino is the better guitar. I would however, take a trip to your nearest guitar shop and play the different models because even though it's the same guitar, they can be VERY different. On a personal note I'd go for the Elitist model because I'd want my own Casino, not a JL version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 The elitist has a different bridge (steel saddles and a bridge post anchor insert). Also the trapeze tailpiece is shorter in length, and the headstock is smaller than the JL Rev..... Not sure if the nut is different. Those are the differences I know for sure. As for feel, I've played four types: China, Japan and (Japan/American JL Rev) and a vintage all USA made. And to be honest I can't really say ones better than the other, but they are all unique of each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singlecoil Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 Is the one I posted from CL in the look a decent price for used. He doesn't have the COA which seems odd. If the Elitest have a poly finish I don't want that. I like the looks of all of them but I am not sure which has the neck I want. I live 100 plus miles away from any big stores where playing one is possible. And to me unless it was being custom made for me I would rather buy used and let the 1st guy that has to have all the latest and greatest take the hit . Most guys that buy buy but never have time to play play play. Cause they are always buying. I try to buy one really nice guitar every 2-3 years learn it good and than try something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Something that expensive you should play first. And if you buy a JL Rev, it should be played... I play mine all the time, to the point the finish is starting to wear on the neck[biggrin] At the end of the day, it's just a Casino. ............ they all are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singlecoil Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 believe if I could play it I would. There is a guitar center around 80 miles away. They have the 2600.00 revolutions in stock. What are you telling me for 2,000 I should play it. It's being sold in texas I live in Michigan. Is it worth taking the risk Are some rough to play ?? That's a 600.00 difference in price for being able to play it first. I have found some awesome guitars that had I waited to play it first I'd have never bought it. Or should I say been able to buy it. Are the Casino's that unpredictable that I might buy a lemmon ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Flick Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 http://houston.craigslist.org/msg/1532752077.html First is this Casino in link above real and is the price reasonable. There doesn't seem to be a COA on it. There is one on ^bay for 2900.00 the seller claims his is a way better guitar. Than there the One for 999.00 and the Elitest. Which model is the one to Buy. I don't want to say money isn't an issue it always is. What I am asking is what am I getting better for the limited edition compared to the thousand dollar one or the elitest. It's been my experience in the past that Elitest are often Poly finish instead of Nitro. Is that the case with the Casinos So if you could buy any one of the 3 available which one. Any help is appreciated. By the way I am new. Glad to be here. Having owned both an Elitist & a Revolution' date=' I guess I qualify as an [i']ex[/i]pert!!! I'm assuming you're a player. Do yourself a favor, save the money and get the Elitist. The Elitist Casino is one of the best guitars I've ever played, equal IMO to the Lennon's for a lot less money. If the Elitest have a poly finish I don't want that. Even though the Elitist is poly' date=' it's not thick plastic like cheaper one tend to be. The Elitist Casino has a magnificent acoustic tone, and anyone who claims the Lennon is vastly superior because of the nitro finish is full of it. But if you want to spend $2000 additional for nitro, that's your prerogative. I like the looks of all of them but I am not sure which has the neck I want. Necks on both of them are extremely narrow and thin like the '60s models. I live 100 plus miles away from any big stores where playing one is possible. Not that you're likely to find any of these in stock' date=' but 100 miles doesn't seem that far to drive to check it out. I drive into the L.A. area (about 90 miles) just to check out the various music stores. Hands on experience is a lot better than asking strangers on a forum which one you'll like better. believe if I could play it I would. There is a guitar center around 80 miles away. They have the 2600.00 revolutions in stock. What are you telling me for 2' date='000 I should play it. It's being sold in texas I live in Michigan. Is it worth taking the risk Are some rough to play ?? That's a 600.00 difference in price for being able to play it first. I have found some awesome guitars that had I waited to play it first I'd have never bought it. Or should I say been able to buy it. Are the Casino's that unpredictable that I might buy a lemmon ??[/quote'] What Duane is trying to tell you is try it out and see if you like it. Then you can decide whether it's right for you. After that, you can then make a decision whether to take the risk buy the $2000 used one or the $2600 new one. And if you can get one brand new at Guitar Center for $2600 that you can try out, why even consider a used one for $2900 off of ebay??? Welcome to the camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singlecoil Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 I am not considering one that's over priced on ebay. There seems to be some confusion here is one at 1900 .oo this is what I was asking about when I started the post http://houston.craigslist.org/msg/1532752077.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 When I purchased mine, I flew to Vacaville (700 miles from where I live) to look at the one I have..... It had a few issues with it, (stickers on the body and case, the pup covers were off the pickups) .... But it has everything with the exception of the black volume knob. I was able to talk down the lady a few hundred dollars from our original agreed price. Mine is a some what a low number (5xx), so I'll assume mine was made in 2001-2002. Well that's what the lady told me when her ex-husband purchased it for her daughter. Would I pay $2000 for a JL Rev???? Nope....... I don't think I would pay that much for a vintage 60's Casino, especially after playing an Elitist and even the Chinese made versions.... For the money, unless you can find a JL Rev for $1300, the Elitist is the best value if you are a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzoboy Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 I wouldn't classify myself an "expert"but I do have a 65 JL Casino that came with the COA a very low serial # and the case candy for only $2600 Cdn + tax,it's my favourite guitar out of 24 I own.It seems $2900 without a COA is steep.I also have an 08 Natural Casino (MIC) that I paid $665 Cdn + tax for that's a great guitar,granted it doesn't have the sparkle of the JL's tone but for the money it sounds and looks better than a lot of guitars costing much more.As I've said before a guitar's tone is very subjective and the MIC guitars as a rule have very inconsistant quality control but I haven't had any problems with any of my MIC guitars of any brand.My local dealer(Reid Music,Mt. Pearl,NL. Canada has consistantly good MIC guitars and they check and set up every guitar before sale.Anyone buying a guitar should have an in hands trial before buying,if that's not possible make sure there's a money back "Written" guarantee. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 and the new Inspired By Casinos are pretty sweet for the money too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Flick Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 and the new Inspired By Casinos are pretty sweet for the money too. I've heard that, I'll have to check one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Flick Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 When I purchased mine' date=' I flew to Vacaville (700 miles from where I live) to look at the one I have..... [/quote'] Flew??? One weekend I packed the family in the car and drove to Berkeley to buy a Trini Lopez Standard!!! Left Friday night, came back Sunday morning!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Flew??? One weekend I packed the family in the car and drove to Berkeley to buy a Trini Lopez Standard!!! Left Friday night' date=' came back Sunday morning!!![/quote'] LOL!!!:- I travel on business an average of 200,000 miles a year, and I get to keep the miles for personal... Plus a Southwest flight to Sacramento is very cheap[cool] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchie1281734003 Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 If you have to have a John Lennon Revolution Casino, then I guess nothing else will do. I have a Lennon 65, and although it is very nice, period correct and sounds fab (Forgive the pun), it doesn`t feel organic to me, just very precise. I used to have three early 80`s Jap made Matsumoku made Casino`s, and each of those felt better. I don`t like the fret end binding on the Lennon`s that much either, even though it`s a mark of a quality build, and the neck feels a little narrow for my likeing. Having said all that my Lennon 65 is going nowhere, but I am sure working hard on getting one of those Matsumoku`s back. I too subscribe to the idea of you getting an Elite/Elitist Casino as a value option. Good luck with whichever model you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamm7215 Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 fwiw, an IBJL mic Casino is every bit as good as a Casino you'll ever get unless you HAVE to have a 65' or Revolution. Again, jmho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singlecoil Posted January 2, 2010 Author Share Posted January 2, 2010 I wouldn't classify myself an "expert"but I do have a 65 JL Casino that came with the COA a very low serial # and the case candy for only $2600 Cdn + tax' date='it's my favourite guitar out of 24 I own.It seems $2900 without a COA is steep.I also have an 08 Natural Casino (MIC) that I paid $665 Cdn + tax for that's a great guitar,granted it doesn't have the sparkle of the JL's tone but for the money it sounds and looks better than a lot of guitars costing much more.As I've said before a guitar's tone is very subjective and the MIC guitars as a rule have very inconsistant quality control but I haven't had any problems with any of my MIC guitars of any brand.My local dealer(Reid Music,Mt. Pearl,NL. Canada has consistantly good MIC guitars and they check and set up every guitar before sale.Anyone buying a guitar should have an in hands trial before buying,if that's not possible make sure there's a money back "Written" guarantee.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/quote'] He guys I very much appreciate the responses and intelligent sounding answers. There seems to still be confusion as to what I was really asking so let me just ask these 3 questions and see what you say: I will bold them plus number them so there is no confusion from my ramblings . 1. Is the Epiphone Elitist Casino finish in polyurethane ? http://houston.craigslist.org/msg/1532752077.html 2. Does the guitar in above link for 1950.00 Appear to be a Genuine JWL Revolution Casino that would sell new for 2699.00 ?? 3. Are you guys saying the Elitist is a better built guitar than the Revolution or just more bang for the buck? Just to let you guys know I am a player not a collector . I suppose I could wait until Spring to buy. Although right now is more of a buyers Market. We just got 16" of snow in the last 2 days. Driving 10 miles is a long way right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 I'm not sure if the elitist casinos are poly or nitro. With the eye I personally can't tell. I went to look at the images in Craigslist and it appears the item has been sold. However it did appear to be authentic. I don't know if the build quality is better, I would dare to state they are comparable. However as stated previously the REV is period correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 333 Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 He guys I very much appreciate the responses and intelligent sounding answers. There seems to still be confusion as to what I was really asking so let me just ask these 3 questions and see what you say: I will bold them plus number them so there is no confusion from my ramblings . 1. Is the Epiphone Elitist Casino finish in polyurethane ? http://houston.craigslist.org/msg/1532752077.html 2. Does the guitar in above link for 1950.00 Appear to be a Genuine JWL Revolution Casino that would sell new for 2699.00 ?? 3. Are you guys saying the Elitist is a better built guitar than the Revolution or just more bang for the buck? Just to let you guys know I am a player not a collector . I suppose I could wait until Spring to buy. Although right now is more of a buyers Market. We just got 16" of snow in the last 2 days. Driving 10 miles is a long way right now. 1. Poly. 2. Ad is gone. 3. Bang for the buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchie1281734003 Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 The Elitist`s are thinly applied poly. The Casino on craigslist is/was genuine. The Elitist is better value for money, both the Elitist and Lennon models were made in the same Terada factory, with final set up and h/ware added (Lennon models only) in the USA, so I would rate build quality the same. The Lennon models are nearly period correct (Wrong material for h/stock inlay, pearloid instead of MOP, and the fretboards should be Brazillian Rosewood, although that is way too pricey now). Hope this answers your questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singlecoil Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 Frenchie Thanks for the reply. Although I like the looks of the casino elitist. I don't care for the poly because it limits the wood aging. Just old school. Nitro is the way to go.. Poly was designed for those that wantit to always look new. Which is great..Just not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Poly was designed for those that want it to always look new. Which is great..Just not me. Actually a Poly guitar will age as well..... If you look at some of the white 80's fenders, they have yellowed over time. Plus any guitar will stay nice if you take care of it whether it's poly or nitro. As for how poly or nitro affects the tone, I think there are more significant differences that cause the tonal differences between JL Rev and the Elitist rather than the finish. IMO the bridge is the biggest contributing factor, not only because of the saddle material, but how it's anchored into the guitar. Me personally I wish my JL Rev had a bit more shine to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Flick Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I don't care for the poly because it limits the wood aging. Just old school. Nitro is the way to go.. Casinos' date=' 330s, 335s all have laminate bodies not solid tops. The wood is not going age. Now while I'll agree with you that some guitars seem that they're encased in plastic, not the Elitist. That's why it's important to check it out, because when you compare the two, you will come to the conclusion that spending $1000 extra on the Lennon is not worth it, and you'll probably conclude the Elitist is slightly better due to the bone nut and steel bridge saddles. But hey, it's your money. I don't think you really want advise, because you've gotten a lot of spot on advise from extremely knowledgeable people like Frenchie & Duane. You really, really want the Lennon (right Mr. Rickenbacker???), and you want someone to justify the difference in price for you. So here you go, Forget the Elitist. It's nowhere near as good as the Lennon. It doesn't have that funny Lennon caricature on the case. That's worth a grand alone!!! And it doesn't even have a COA that proves it's a genuine, authentic copy of John Lennon's guitar. That piece of paper's worth another grand, so there you have it. The Lennon is actually $1000 cheaper than the Elitist. And I love the way the lacquer on the neck makes my hand stick in hot, humid weather. So don't bother checking them out, just buy the Lennon. Hey, have a great New Year [img']http://home.earthlink.net/~jkmcleer/Guitars/ric62012.JPG[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singlecoil Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 Casinos' date=' 330s, 335s all have laminate bodies not solid tops. The wood is not going age. Now while I'll agree with you that some guitars seem that they're encased in plastic, not the Elitist. That's why it's important to check it out, because when you compare the two, you will come to the conclusion that spending $1000 extra on the Lennon is not worth it, and you'll probably conclude the Elitist is slightly better due to the bone nut and steel bridge saddles. But hey, it's your money. I don't think you really want advise, because you've gotten a lot of spot on advise from extremely knowledgeable people like Frenchie & Duane. You really, really want the Lennon (right Mr. Rickenbacker???), and you want someone to justify the difference in price for you. So here you go, Forget the Elitist. It's nowhere near as good as the Lennon. It doesn't have that funny Lennon caricature on the case. That's worth a grand alone!!! And it doesn't even have a COA that proves it's a genuine, authentic copy of John Lennon's guitar. That piece of paper's worth another grand, so there you have it. The Lennon is actually $1000 cheaper than the Elitist. And I love the way the lacquer on the neck makes my hand stick in hot, humid weather. So don't bother checking them out, just buy the Lennon. Hey, have a great New Year [img']http://home.earthlink.net/~jkmcleer/Guitars/ric62012.JPG[/img] So speak up man I will listen. If you know than tell me. . What's the 620 about ? Awesome guitar. Give me you 5 cents. I asked for an experts help. Help me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Flick Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 So speak up man I will listen. If you know than tell me. . What's the 620 about ? Awesome guitar. Give me you 5 cents. I asked for an experts help. Help me. In the late '60s I bought a Gibson ES-330 which was my stage guitar into the mid '70s. In recent years I have owned a late '60s ES-330 long neck' date=' 2 Korean Casinos, 2 Matsumoku MIJ Casinos, an Elitist Casino, and a Revolution. I also briefly had a 1965 Lennon Casino that I sold it to a forum member in England. [img']http://home.earthlink.net/~jkmcleer/Guitars/casinos.jpg[/img] If I was in the market, I would buy the Elitist. I liked it slightly better than either Lennon, and it's a lot less expensive. To me, the Elitist is a player's guitar, the Lennon you're paying for a lot of collectible bling. Now you might try them and feel the opposite, there really isn't that much difference. As for the 620-12, you handle is Rickenbacker53 so I figured you'd like to see a really sweet Ric. How about this one: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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