gypsyseven Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 Hi to all you Casino Player! My question is do you have any feedback problems playing your Casinos loud and overdriven?I'm usually with my back to my amp(Crate V32 Palomino/30w all tube) when i'm playing with my band.We're doing 60's/70's style rock music.I'm using some overdrive but no distortion pedals. I'm very interested in getting a Casino but since i know that they don't have a sustainblock i'm not sure if it's working for me. Tell me about your experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantana Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 Epiphone Casino Hollowbody + P90 = Feedback It's how they are I'm afraid! I can even get feedback when playing through a clean channel if I try hard enough :) There are certain things you can do to help 'manage' the problem, this is what I do..... 1. Use a Boss NS2 pedal to reduce unwanted noise, 2. When playing live, have your amp facing backwards providing it's mic'd up (I have my head facing forwards and cab backwards) 3. I also cut the signal from guitar to amp by pressing my Boss TU-2 tuner when I'm not playing. These things do not eliminate the feedback but I find that they certainly help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamm7215 Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 It's a feature, not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smips65 Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 When I first got my sorento, which is basically a thin casino, it was stuffed full of batt insulation, like the stuff you put in quilts. The previous owner must have spent some time doing this, took me an hour to pull it all out. I prefer the feedback, just makes me move, and adjust. But stuffing a hollowbody is certainly nothing new, old jazz guitar players stuffed t-shirts in them to tame the feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwhi2001 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 It's a feature' date=' not a problem. [/quote'] We're talking about loud squealing microphonic feedback. The audiences certainly considered it a problem at the 2 gigs I played with my Sorrento before I sold it. If it's a feature, it's a f*$%ing awful one. If you're playing with a loud backline in small venues, with very little room to shift your position, it's a very real problem when you want to play solos. Wrong tool for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeper Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Microphonic feedback comes from un-potted pickups, it has nothing to do with the guitar itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noijj Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Couldn't agree more. Casino's and Sorrento's look cool and sound fab but I've never heard of or seen anyone who plays in a guitar band live that doesn't have this issue. Particularly on smallish stages with loud backlines. This is not nice, controllable undertow feedback you can move around to cut, or that cool P90 rawness that buzzes a bit with cycle hum. No, it sounds like a whale being murdered - a very loud, totally unmusical, horriffic squeal. A noise that just isn't supposed to be there live. Lounder than the drums even. Your band will hate you! Solution - find a casino with a sound block. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure they did make some? Or, stuff it with foam which will help (trial and error to get enough to stop the squeal but not too much to lose all the tone), Or, buy a Sheraton or Dot. They have the solid block so you get the semi acoustic vibe plus no squeal. If it's the P90 sound you like then change the humbuckers to something like GFS Mean or Dream 90's, Kent Armstrong P90's or similar. They are P90's in humbucker cases and drop right in there. Voila, a semi that won't hamper you on stage. They even come in blonde and sunburst. I'm just in the process of converting a VS Sheraton to P90's, so will let you know how it works out. Should be ready in about a week in time for our next gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamm7215 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 We're talking about loud squealing microphonic feedback. The audiences certainly considered it a problem at the 2 gigs I played with my Sorrento before I sold it. If it's a feature' date=' it's a f*$%ing awful one. If you're playing with a loud backline in small venues, with very little room to shift your position, it's a very real problem when you want to play solos. Wrong tool for the job. [/quote'] Yeah sorry, bad humor given your situation. You can try the stuffing the body cavity or tape over the sound holes? I think I read about someone doing that. Can you buy potted P90's? Is that an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanH Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Couldn't agree more. Casino's and Sorrento's look cool and sound fab but I've never heard of or seen anyone who plays in a guitar band live that doesn't have this issue. Particularly on smallish stages with loud backlines. This is not nice' date=' controllable undertow feedback you can move around to cut, or that cool P90 rawness that buzzes a bit with cycle hum. No, it sounds like a whale being murdered - a very loud, totally unmusical, horriffic squeal. A noise that just isn't supposed to be there live. Lounder than the drums even. Your band will hate you! Solution - find a casino with a sound block. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure they did make some? Or, stuff it with foam which will help (trial and error to get enough to stop the squeal but not too much to lose all the tone), Or, buy a Sheraton or Dot. They have the solid block so you get the semi acoustic vibe plus no squeal. If it's the P90 sound you like then change the humbuckers to something like GFS Mean or Dream 90's, Kent Armstrong P90's or similar. They are P90's in humbucker cases and drop right in there. Voila, a semi that won't hamper you on stage. They even come in blonde and sunburst. I'm just in the process of converting a VS Sheraton to P90's, so will let you know how it works out. Should be ready in about a week in time for our next gig.[/quote'] Better still, buy a Wildkat: -Looks cool (more so than the Casino IMO) -Centre block - No need for old T-shirts -Already has P90s that look like P90s. Problem solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noijj Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Good shout. I'd have one if they made a lefty! (don't get me started!). Much smaller than a 335 size/shape though by the look of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custombuiltguitars Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 just pot your P90's yourself. I have a homebrew strat with 2 P90's. The squeel out of the bridge pickup was god awful over about 1/3 way up on the guitar volume. 30 minutes soaking in 150 degree old candle wax fixed that right up. (the pickups, not the entire guitar....) Guitar feedback is a feature. A tool, learn to use it and enjoy. Microphonic squeel is different entirely and just needs to be avoided. And is an easy fix. Just google search wax potting pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeper Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 just pot your P90's yourself. I have a homebrew strat with 2 P90's. The squeel out of the bridge pickup was god awful over about 1/3 way up on the guitar volume. 30 minutes soaking in 150 degree old candle wax fixed that right up. (the pickups' date=' not the entire guitar....) Guitar feedback is a feature. A tool, learn to use it and enjoy. Microphonic squeel is different entirely and just needs to be avoided. And is an easy fix. Just google search wax potting pickups.[/quote'] You need to be using a 80/20 mix of parrafin and bees wax. Not just candle wax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custombuiltguitars Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 You need to be using a 80/20 mix of parrafin and bees wax. Not just candle wax. yeah, thats the pros concensus. BUT old candles the wife was throwing out fixed my problem, and it didn't cost a cent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardog Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Better still' date=' buy a Wildkat: -Looks cool (more so than the Casino IMO) -Centre block - No need for old T-shirts -Already has P90s that look like P90s. Problem solved! [img']http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx259/AlanH_album/Guitars/DSC01801.jpg[/img] every time i see that wildkat, i gas for one. really nice looking guitar alan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanH Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 every time i see that wildkat' date=' i gas for one. really nice looking guitar alan!![/quote'] I think that particular photo spot catches what these Wildkats really look like. There is a skylight in the ceiling above. This, combined with the light from the patio door next to the guitar and the overcast British sky, makes for perfect photographic conditions I think. Here are a couple of my other babies in the same spot: Anyway, just get yourself a 'Kat and be done with it! Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyscaglyc Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 After a lot of trial & error I've got the hollow body squeal in control, right at the threshold. I'll be damned if the Joe Pass or the White Falcon can't play out. No "stuffing" on either one but you've got to work out all the details (amp location/direction etc.) at the soundcheck, not in the first set. It's a shame anyone has to sell a cool jazzbox because of feedback. I'll admit it isn't easy in a small bar but I'm not going to play the strat only all night long.(not that there's anything wrong with that)! Stuff it if you have to but try out a few techniques before you do. As for PUs, the Epi has a HB & a mean 90 and the Falcon has Dynas. BTW at times I've turned the main cabinet around, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 I was already thinking 'bout getting a Wildkat again...sold mine 2 years ago cuz i was broke.... miss it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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