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you missed it!

 

$2000 it went for wonder if anyone on the forum bagged it, come on, own up, who bagged it....

 

The seller has another item for sale......$6000 Gibson L5 a beauty

 

ttp://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-L5-CES-1977-Blonde_W0QQitemZ150423599284QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item2305f1f8b4

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I'd really like to get an ES-125 or something similar' date=' with a neck P-90. My Casino comes close, but nothing beats that jazz. tone.

 

I'd also like to get a similar guitar, and put a Charlie Christian-inspired pickup in it.[/quote']

Ah yes, time to post this bad boy again:

 

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I'd like to hear a Charlie Christian at the bridge position... I've only heard them in the neck.

What's crazy about that guitar is that someone took a perfectly good archtop and whacked three holes in the top to mount the CCs. Might have well as been an SG, 'cause there ain't much acoustic resonance left in that thing now....

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What's crazy about that guitar is that someone took a perfectly good archtop and whacked three holes in the top to mount the CCs. Might have well as been an SG' date=' 'cause there ain't much acoustic resonance left in that thing now....[/quote']

They did a lot of things we'd call stupid back in the early days of electric guitars - the giant horseshoe magnet pickups Rickenbacker and Epiphone were using probably didn't help acoustic tone any either.

 

 

On a related note, there's an Epiphone Century for sale locally for the low price of $900. This is a NY/Philadelphia Epiphone, not a Kalamazoo.

 

http://bernunzio.com/products/1014559

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What's crazy about that guitar is that someone took a perfectly good archtop and whacked three holes in the top to mount the CCs. Might have well as been an SG' date=' 'cause there ain't much acoustic resonance left in that thing now....[/quote']

 

Yes..and here is a picture of what I did to my '66 Epi Triumph many years ago. I took an

acoustic and cut small holes in the top to rout the wires and adjustable magnet pole pieces

on the de-Armond 2000 SC. Surprisingly, it still had a good acoustic sound in spite of

my efforts to electrify it. Today, I would be using a pickguard mounted p_up, but

back then in my younger days...

1966EpiTriumph.jpg

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Yes..and here is a picture of what I did to my '66 Epi Triumph many years ago. I took an

acoustic and cut small holes in the top to rout the wires and adjustable magnet pole pieces

on the de-Armond 2000 SC. Surprisingly' date=' it still had a good acoustic sound in spite of

my efforts to electrify it. Today, I would be using a pickguard mounted p_up, but

back then in my younger days...

[img']http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/carverDan1/1966EpiTriumph.jpg[/img]

 

Carverman I was going to mention this yesterday....I am 53.......had an acoustic around a long time but in all that time, "modding" meant changing the strings about every five years....[biggrin]

 

Due to work, I played very seldom over that time.

 

I have only really taken an interest in guitars since last August 2009, due to an enforced spell of unemployment due to medication, I have to take for a condition I have.

 

So, over the last 6 months, I have bought five guitars, and played more in one week than I played the whole previous 20 years.

 

The learning curve has been immense, but of course, you seasoned guitar owners must see things differently, because you guys have travelled the road.

 

Please have patience with us noobs we will £$%^ up big style now and again. Just try and guide us out of harms way.

 

We are all only human and what seems good idea one week in a GAS attack, seems horrendous, ludicrous, the next week.

 

These guitars become a passion.......your last post shows, we will all do things we will slightly regret in hindsight.

 

Maybe we should have a thread of early day blunders.....I would love to hear from Jerrymac and Musikron on there...[biggrin]

 

Please be patient with us, irrational at times, guitar crazy, noobs.....

 

EDIT: Found this on youtube some time ago.....

 

This young guy cut a route in his 1959 Levin 335 (exact same as mine) and put in a PAF from a Gibson 175 and his playing a very nice "expensive" amp made in Sweden an Elmwood.....I got a feeling this guy does not intend selling his Levin he his having too much of a good time....[biggrin]

 

A young Swedish guy he writes:

 

A video of me improvising over Charlie Parker's "Ornithology". The beginning and the end is a bit weird, but hey - life's funnier if your just a bit odd.. The amplifier is, as I mention at the start of the clip, an Elmwood, model Modena M60 (www.elmwood.se), and the guitar is also swedish, it's a Levin from 1959, with an added pickup from an old Gibson ES175.

[YOUTUBE]

[/YOUTUBE]

 

PS spec and price on that Elmwood amp

 

SPECIFICATIONS

 

Amplifier: 60 watts (Pentode) or 30 watts (Triode) pure tube amp.

 

Channel 1: Volume, Treble, Middle, Bass.

 

Channel 2: Gain, Volume, Treble, Middle, Bass.

 

Drive: Footswitchable, adjustable Drive and Drive volume on channel 1. Footswitchable, adjustable Drive on channel 2. Ability to activate Drive when switching to Master 1.

 

Volume: Two footswitchable Master volumes.

 

Footswitch: Channel - Drive - Master 1.

 

Back panel: 4 speaker output: 1x8 ohm, 1x4 ohm, 2x16 ohm, 2x8 ohm. Fat and Edge knobs for controlling Low and High end in the power amp. Mixknob for the Fx-Loop from parallel to serial. Send and Return jacksockets for the FX Loop. 2 Footswitch jacksockets. Mains inlet with fuseholder.

 

Tubes: Preamp tubes 4 pieces ECC83. Poweramp tubes 2 pieces EL34 operating in class AB push pull.

 

Weight: 17 kg

 

Size: 585 x 240 x 270 mm

 

us$2888.00.............[crying]

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PS spec and price on that Elmwood amp

 

SPECIFICATIONS

 

Amplifier: 60 watts (Pentode) or 30 watts (Triode) pure tube amp.

 

So what is the big deal here? The peavey valveking has practically the same setup

all they do is reduce the conduction of one 6l6 and increase the other.

Doesn't really matter electrically whether it's a triode final power stage or pentode..

it's all the same through o/p transformer.

 

Channel 1: Volume' date=' Treble, Middle, Bass.

 

Channel 2: Gain, Volume, Treble, Middle, Bass.

 

Drive: Footswitchable, adjustable Drive and Drive volume on channel 1. Footswitchable, adjustable Drive on channel 2. Ability to activate Drive when switching to Master 1.

 

Volume: Two footswitchable Master volumes.

 

Footswitch: Channel - Drive - Master 1.

 

Back panel: 4 speaker output: 1x8 ohm, 1x4 ohm, 2x16 ohm, 2x8 ohm. Fat and Edge knobs for controlling Low and High end in the power amp. Mixknob for the Fx-Loop from parallel to serial. Send and Return jacksockets for the FX Loop. 2 Footswitch jacksockets. Mains inlet with fuseholder.

 

Basically same as Peavey valveking except for the "4 speaker" output. The peavey has a 16 ohm 12 inch Valveking

special speaker and an external speaker jack that specifies 8 ohms minimum.

Tubes: Preamp tubes 4 pieces ECC83. Poweramp tubes 2 pieces EL34 operating in class AB push pull.

 

Weight: 17 kg

 

Size: 585 x 240 x 270 mm

 

us$2888.00.............[biggrin]

 

IMO it is way overpriced for what it is...doesn't even have a spring reverb

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[YOUTUBE]
[/YOUTUBE]

 

Not to judge this guy too harshly - he's obviously put a lot of time and effort into it, but why is he playing jazz through a $3k tube amp head? Seems like he would be just fine with a SS Polytone or if he just has to spend money, an Acoustic Image Clarus. He's got to have that thing dialed down to the lowest possible settings, which defeats the purpose of valves.

 

I also see that he's using his PC to read the solo, or at least follow the changes. To my ears, the tempo is too fast for his skill level, so it sounds stiff and hurried.

 

OK that was harsh after all, sorry.

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Not to judge this guy too harshly - he's obviously put a lot of time and effort into it' date=' but why is he playing jazz through a $3k tube amp head? Seems like he would be just fine with a SS Polytone or if he just has to spend money, an Acoustic Image Clarus. He's got to have that thing dialed down to the lowest possible settings, which defeats the purpose of valves.

 

I also see that he's using his PC to read the solo, or at least follow the changes. To my ears, the tempo is too fast for his skill level, so it sounds stiff and hurried.

 

OK that was harsh after all, sorry.[/quote']

 

Well everyone has their own style playing jazz. Although his technique for playing the

phrasing is good, it's just basically boring. I prefer Charlie Byrd-Stan Getz Bossa Nova

stylings, Kenny Burrell and the great Wes Montgomery, which I tend to imitate on some

pieces, but of course, I don't have his magic thumb.

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You guys crack me up this a young guy in an apartment block recording a bit of fun for youtube. Of course the amp would sound better on a stage in a better space and to start comparing the lad to Kenny Burrel and Wes Montgomery........Have you two lost the plot.......

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You guys crack me up this a young guy in an apartment block recording a bit of fun for youtube. Of course the amp would sound better on a stage in a better space and to start comparing the lad to Kenny Burrel and Wes Montgomery........Have you two lost the plot.......

 

"The plot" as you call it was lost long ago when this thread about a particular guitar

was hijacked. I'm not comparing his technique to the jazz greats, just the type

of music being played. perhaps if he had a trio, bass + drums it would sound better,

I dunno..but it's a wee bit monotonous...strictly my opinion here, but I prefer some

melodic structure and a theme from a popular song to work with.

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All's I was trying to say is that you don't need a $3k tube head (designed for high volumes) to play straight-up bebop. A style that BTW was often played in mostly unamplifed groups. And he needs to slow the tempo down a few clicks so he can keep up. It would be so much more enjoyable....

 

But kudos to him for trying, Ornithology has some seriously difficult changes...

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"The plot" as you call it was lost long ago when this thread about a particular guitar

was hijacked. I'm not comparing his technique to the jazz greats' date=' just the type

of music being played. perhaps if he had a trio, bass + drums it would sound better,

I dunno..but it's a wee bit monotonous...strictly my opinion here, but I prefer some

melodic structure and a theme from a popular song to work with. [/quote']

 

That was another "narrative" Carverman do treat us to a video on youtube of your thumb sometime to make your point...

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All's I was trying to say is that you don't need a $3k tube head (designed for high volumes) to play straight-up bebop. A style that BTW was often played in mostly unamplifed groups. And he needs to slow the tempo down a few clicks so he can keep up. It would be so much more enjoyable....

 

But kudos to him for trying' date=' Ornithology has some seriously difficult changes...[/quote']

 

Totally agree Brian knowing Sweden this is probably a music student and needs those tools for different contexts. Think he is just having a little fun here on youtube. That is point I am making.

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That was another "narrative" Carverman do treat us to a video on youtube of your thumb sometime to make your point...

 

Yes, I must do that sometime..in the meantime, speaking of Youtube,

here is one of my favourites from Wes's repertoire...

(album: Boss Guitar..Days of Wine and Roses)

 

Now, this guy has a very good ear and technique to get it down pat from the CD which

you can hear in the background.

The intro goes into the theme..so you can recognize the song (Henry Mancini composer)

then he goes into variations on the theme..beautifully played

then he comps when the organ comes on

then comes back to finish off the theme and a very lush jazz chord (major 7th with

some add ons) ending

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cNf3qyLjb0

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Yeah that's nice.

 

Very close to feel and tone of the original, and he doesn't seem like he's overeaching his skills at all.

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It is sweet. I acquired it as an original era deluxe would be more towards twice the buy it now that was asked. Two current ebay Zephyr Deluxes should bear that out. My frame of references are an early 50s Zephyr Regent with single DeArmond "toaster" pickup, a '44 noncutaway Triumph , and a 51 Triumph Regent. This one, even with a poorly intonated bridge trumps them all. It is good acoustically, probably tone wise closer to the '44 Triumph, than to the TR, but much, much better than the Zephyr.

They are not floating pickups, the new Epiphone "New Yorks" are set to brackets, the two screws on each side of the bracket into the top, wiring leads out under the pickguard into the lower bout.

Still haven't figured out if its a solid or ply top and do not want to disassemble to find out...

 

If anyone's suggestions towards, or a part to resolve the bridge issue, or if anyone might be seriously interested in the 50s ZR, let me know and I'll be happy to forward or post the details.

Thanks to all,

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Nice score man! (My mantra these days - "my GAS is under control, my GAS is under control...") I'll assume you know how to check intonation by comparing the 12th fret harmonic with the fretted 12th fret note, I cheat often by using an intellitouch tuner to reinforce what my ears tell me. If the fretted note is flat, move the bridge forward (towards the headstock), if sharp, move the bridge away from the headstock. You need to tighten to pitch, test, then loosen, reposition, and re-tighten probably a few times to get it. And don't worry about perfection, there's no such thing on a guitar (just employ more vibrato and bending).

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Thanks, yes I'm familiar with how to check the intonation. True, others have done without it being quite right on this guitar, while I could do the same, its too good otherwise to leave it, will be better with it right so I'll fix it rather than leave it...

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