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hey come on' date=' the guy had no idea about what it was and was grasping desperately at the vintage thing. it's cool. i'm pretty sure everyone in here is guilty of wanting something to be something it isn't.[/quote']

 

Therein lies the problem. You have to appreciate a guitar for what it actually is, not what you're trying to convince yourself it is.

 

Don't get me wrong. I love this, it's my favourite guitar out of all I've ever owned. And it was made in 2008 in China.

 

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http://www.hagstromguitars.com/Viking.html

 

 

But I know that my guitar is akin to one of these (made in 1968 in Sweden)...it's not completely identical to it...and it's 40 years newer...made in a completely different part of the world...by a company which bought the Hagstrom name...

 

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http://www.hagstrom.org.uk/

 

Reissues are great. They allow people to experience the flavour of these wonderful, old designs without shelling out the money for for a vintage guitar. But they are still reissues...if you have to have an original then you have to buy a vintage guitar. Trying to convince yourself that a modern reissue is the 'real deal' will never do it if you are of that mindset, and I hope the original poster isn't taken for a ride by a conman who would have him believe that the Asian-made Casino in the photos actually came off the production line in Kalamazoo in 1964 or whatever...

 

To the original poster - you said you liked the guitar, and that's great. If you get it for whatever the market value is for a used, modern, Asian-made Epiphone Casino in Poland these days, then that's great too...

 

 

 

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Yeah, and some of the reissues and copies out there are phenomenally playable guitars at a fraction of the price.

 

As an aside, did the conman say '64? Cause I feel especially foolish now, the '64 would have had the old Gibsonesque headstock that's on the new USA Wilshire reissue. (And on Paul McCartney's Casino).

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Yeah' date=' and some of the reissues and copies out there are phenomenally playable guitars at a fraction of the price.[/quote']

 

I think that's how Eastwood market themselves. Reissues of those wacky old designs..you can actually play!

 

http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/

 

 

As an aside' date=' did the conman say '64? Cause I feel especially foolish now, the '64 would have had the old Gibsonesque headstock that's on the new USA Wilshire reissue. (And on Paul McCartney's Casino).[/quote']

 

No, I think that was just mid-rant hyperbole on my part. I believe the seller was trying to convince the original poster the guitar was a vintage, American-made Casino, without specifying a particular date. Apologies for injecting any additional confusion.

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Yeah' date=' and some of the reissues and copies out there are phenomenally playable guitars at a fraction of the price.

 

As an aside, did the [b']conman[/b]...

 

This is the kicker for me. It's a con, not a clueless seller misrepresenting an item out of ignorance. They went to the trouble of having counterfeit labels made up, it's not an innocent mistake.

 

Now here's the kicker for me, our poster obviously mentioned the 3 hole TRC to the seller, let's look how that played out:

 

The truss rod cover is a new one, owner had to replace it. Maybe that is way is has 3 screws.

 

When confronted, the seller double downs and tells another lie. This is not about the playability of a reissue, this is about someone who asked us for advise being conned.

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Yeah' date=' and some of the reissues and copies out there are phenomenally playable guitars at a fraction of the price.

 

As an aside, did the conman say '64? Cause I feel especially foolish now, the '64 would have had the old Gibsonesque headstock that's on the new USA Wilshire reissue. (And on Paul McCartney's Casino).[/quote']

Not necessarily. The headstock everyone refers to as the "Gibson" headstock was actually a part that moved to Kalamazoo from Philadelphia (most people overlook that city in Epiphone's history). Early Gibson-made Epiphones used the old neck, but at some point by 1963, they were using the old supply as well as new necks.

 

A search of GBase shows a 1964 with the short headstock, and a 1963 with the long headstock. There was definitely overlap.

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Well, thank you once again for your concern ! Please be noted that I am not a retard :- thus I believe I can make a wise decision :- All the information I have just collected allow me to think it over and negotiate. I know much more now about Casinos and I am happy about it. We say in Poland "The one who asks will never wander around". Shall I buy the guitar I will surely make some additional researches to determine actual date of mafufacturing. If you have nothing against, I will share with you with my findings.

 

BTW: I liked Eastwood guitars a lot, never heard of them.

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ugh. i would really enjoy talking to you all and finding out more about my grandpa's casino. when i hit the 'add photo' icon' date=' i get : [img'] [/img]

 

can someone please advise, so this newbie can research the epiphone, pretty please?!?!

Hi Jenny, there's a photo posting tuorial here: http://forums.epiphone.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8886

 

It's actually easier than the tutorial makes it out - you just have to load the photo onto a 3rd-party hosting service like photobucket and then cut and paste the link into your post.

 

Anyways, stick around, the slobbering has already begun on your grandad's Casino - it's an incredibly desirable guitar...

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That one is a 1964' date=' but, contrary to the description, Paul's was not. His is a 1962. He bought it in 1964.[/quote']

 

Yeah, that's weird. As I'm sure just about everyone here knows the 1962 has a totally different headstock. I think the seller is just confused - probably read about Paul buying his in 1964 and assumed it was new. That's a nice guitar, though. Really nice.

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Now here's the kicker for me' date=' our poster obviously mentioned the 3 hole TRC to the seller, let's look how that played out:

[i']The truss rod cover is a new one, owner had to replace it. Maybe that is way is has 3 screws."[/i]

 

When confronted, the seller double downs and tells another lie. This is not about the playability of a reissue, this is about someone who asked us for advise being conned.

 

Well spotted. What this shows is that the seller is NOT someone who innocently bought a modern guitar that had been dolled up as vintage; if that was the case, he wouldn't have made an excuse for the truss rod cover. This person KNOWS that it is not genuine.

 

My advice is to call his bluff. Tell him it can't be vintage. If you really want the guitar and it is in great condition' date=' tell him that $400 US sounds reasonable. [/quote']

 

+10!

 

I totally agree. Even though it's not vintage, if you love the sound of the instrument, try to negotiate it into the range of a modern Epiphone. If you love it that much, pay up to the Polish price of a brand new modern Casino; but don't pay $1000.

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Dulli' date=' Jerry was not rude, but merely giving you the information you sought enough to ask. Jerry, I love the dinner remark, but not sure if the OP got it.[/quote']

 

Hi Strumbone' date=' I got the remark, I know under which circumstances a dinner supposes to be bought ...[/quote']

 

I'm glad you got the remark, sorry you didn't get the point...

 

The worst advise you got was to negotiate with the guy. You sir are the MARK. The MARK never beats the CON, although a good CON will let the MARK think he won. But the sad truth, the minute you hand the money to the CON, you lost...

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motowntom; that's beautiful. i wonder what year grandpa's is. were you able to see the pics? he paid $380 total for the guitar and case, but the original tag has no date [cool] there is also a gretsch; it's beautiful, as well...but i think one project at a time. i don't know why i am not catching on to the photo uploading; before i joined the forum this week, i rather thought i was computer savvy....guess not. is my best bet to find a local shop and have someone look at it? i feel uncomfortable about a bunch of hands all over g-pa's treasures, but otherwise, i truly know nothing about them! thanks everyone, for your tolerance with a girl that has epiphone-forum-synapse-firing issues :-({|=

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Hi

 

I can buy Epiphone Casino E230TD. Owner claims that it was produced in '60 in USA. The problem is that it has no serial number on the back of the headstock. It makes my suspicious if the guitar is an original. However, probably there were some series of E230TD placed on the market without such a number on the headstock (or maybe I am wrong ?). Furthermore, the guitar is black. Owner stated that he has checked the paper (label) sticked inside as well as the ink, and the results have confirmed that the quitar is an original made in USA.

 

Could you please help me to confirm whether it is true ?

 

(how can I insert a photo? I tried but it seems to be too complicated [biggrin]

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60's casinos go for 4-5 thousand bucks. no one would sell one for $1000.00

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Methinks Mr. "Vic Flick" needs to go smoke a joint and loosen up a little? Maybe have a beer? Kick back and relax for a bit? Maybe enjoy some rock n' roll at a reasonable volume? Perhaps have a tasty, but sensible snack? Maybe go bowling and take out some frustration on the pins? Trip to the shooting range perhaps??

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Methinks Mr. "Vic Flick" needs to go smoke a joint and loosen up a little? Maybe have a beer? Kick back and relax for a bit? Maybe enjoy some rock n' roll at a reasonable volume? Perhaps have a tasty, but sensible snack? Maybe go bowling and take out some frustration on the pins? Trip to the shooting range perhaps??

 

Are you kidding??? Vic tried to help the guy, gave him excellent advice. The guitar was a fake, the seller was cheating him, don't buy it. Vic's last comment was "The worst advise you got was to negotiate with the guy. You sir are the MARK. The MARK never beats the CON, although a good CON will let the MARK think he won. But the sad truth, the minute you hand the money to the CON, you lost..." Brilliant, I wish I said it.

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