Ralph S. Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Hi all This is my "First Time" here so to speak and I can't seem to find anything myself on the net about my guitar. I have what I think is a vintage Gibson SG of some sort But there are no serial numbers that I can see and I pulled off the truss rod cover to discover that there is no truss rod. Was this possibly something of old to gibson? and also the control cavity is routed in the front rather than the back. so I am tripping out. This guitar was given to me a while back but has been sitting due to the fact that since there is o truss rod the neck bends easily giving it almost a vibrato sound "unintentionally" while "rocking out." The finish seems to have been sanded off as well with some left around the sides. and it looks like it had a trapeze tailpiece which was modified into a tune-o-matic by the person who gave it to me. I know this was a bit lengthy but I figured what the hey. I just wanted to give any helpful info that I could to solve this puzzle. I could e mail pics if anyone wants to have a look. Thanks in advance for any help. Ralph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baxter Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Checked the back of the headstock for the sn??? Doesn't sound too good, but pictures are a big help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Hmmmm..... No truss rod? Maybe it broke and the end was left out of the cavity? Actually removing the entire truss rod is impossible without "ungluing" the fretboard from the neck. Baxter's right, doesn't sound too good, and pictures are a big help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groovyjud00 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 post some pics so we can see .. but NeoConMan & baxter are right it dosnt sound too good !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph S. Posted July 30, 2008 Author Share Posted July 30, 2008 I can't figure out how to post pic's anyone help? otherwise I could e mail the to you if you gave me your e mails. Thanks Ralph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarJunkie Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 I can't figure out how to post pic's anyone help? otherwise I could e mail the to you if you gave me your e mails.Thanks Ralph Go here, 2nd post down... http://forums.gibson.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=3054&p=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph S. Posted July 31, 2008 Author Share Posted July 31, 2008 <a href="http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/?action=view¤t=Photo167.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/Photo167.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> <a href="http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/?action=view¤t=Photo166.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/Photo166.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> <a href="http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/?action=view¤t=Photo165.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/Photo165.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> <a href="http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/?action=view¤t=Photo164.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/Photo164.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> <a href="http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/?action=view¤t=Photo163.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/Photo163.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooperoni Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 <a href="http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/?action=view¤t=Photo166.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/Photo166.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> <a href="http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/?action=view¤t=Photo165.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/Photo165.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> <a href="http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/?action=view¤t=Photo164.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/Photo164.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> <a href="http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/?action=view¤t=Photo163.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/bethanymontez134/Photo163.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooperoni Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cooperoni Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 NO LIKE THIS... You need to use the IMG code not HTML. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph S. Posted July 31, 2008 Author Share Posted July 31, 2008 Sorry my laptop takes pics in reverse or somthing, must be a webcam thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooperoni Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 If you select edit image(in photobucket) there is an option to flip image, you can unreverse it that way. Found this, has the front routing hole where the pots go, but the serial number is clearly stamped, but the no truss rod issue seems suspect. Also the engraving of the SG on the truss rod cover looks a bit different... http://www.oldenburger-music-station.de/Gibson-SG-Custom-1971.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarJunkie Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Found this' date=' has the front routing hole where the pots go, but the serial number is clearly stamped, but the no truss rod issue seems suspect. Also the engraving of the SG on the truss rod cover looks a bit different...http://www.oldenburger-music-station.de/Gibson-SG-Custom-1971.htm [/quote'] Plus, the '71 has an ebony board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooperoni Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Perhaps it is supposed to be a '72 but again, no truss rod. Were Gibson making guitars without them in '72? My Martin 00-18 has no truss rod but it was made in '58. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 They had truss rods. Yeah, I had a '72 Martin D-35. I sold it when I found out it had no truss rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooperoni Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Well I wont be selling mine, I don't care that there is no truss rod, doesn't seem to be a problem. It is a old beat up great sounding guitar that has been in the family longer than I have. It is the very same guitar I learned to play on, as well as my older brother and sister. If my house was burning, and I could only grab one, all my Gibbys would be left behind as they do not have the same sentimental value of the 00-18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedlander Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 - No truss rod - No serial - No "Made in USA" stamp on neck - Strange dot on the "I" of Gibson (different from the 71 model), different binding on head It would be really surprising if it was a Gibson. Probably a good copy. Truss rods are not mandatory. I talked about it with my luthier and he said that you actually can make steel stringed guitars without a truss rod : the neck won't move at all (a lot of 30's-40's Django era jazz guitars, Selmer and all, were made this way). Pblem, once it's done, you cannot change anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cudamax2343 Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Gibson never put those up and down little things(that kinda look like arrows) on the beginning and ending of the "S" in the Gibson Logo and then their is the "dot" touching the "G" that I have never seen and it has metric posts on the T-O-M and may have them on the stop bar, and you can tell by the pot's usually if it's USA Gibson or not. I'd say it also has a bad finish in a real bad attempt to make it look old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 No truss rod? Maybe it broke and the end was left out of the cavity? Well, the pictures are a big help. I can see now that "no truss rod" means there NEVER WAS ONE! Mind you, I'm not a pro. But now that I see what we're talking about, my $.02 is that it's a fake. Too many things are way too wrong. I have a thing or two to add to the other's input. Just looking at it, proportionally, it's laid out wrong. The gap between the bridge and pickup for instance, too wide. Also, EVERY Gibson electric I've ever seen has the bridge mounted on a slight angle to aid intonation. The bridge post for the low strings is slightly further back. The control cavity looks WAY too rough. In my experience, Gibson machines them. That looks like it was done by hand - not very uniform. My wife (the Church Lady) walked by and saw the pics, asked "What's the deal with that guitar?" just out of curiosity. I went to the trouble to point out some obvious stuff. She listened patiently and then said "I guess he plays it in church?" Huh? "Yeah, look at the room he's in." Hey, I guess she's right.... "Shame. If he's a good man, he won't go kick the guy's *** - and he deserves it." Wow. Women see all the details I always miss. Ralph, I hope you have a one-off factory prototype oddball worth lotsa money despite its manufacturing and playability issues. I'm afraid it ain't looking this way. I wonder if Gibson Customer Service would be interested in such a thing? Good luck Buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph S. Posted August 4, 2008 Author Share Posted August 4, 2008 WOW! What piece of junk now looking at it that way. Ill probably just yank the pickups and give the thing away. Anyone want it? HAHAHAHA. I guess i've been had. Kinda sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Ralph, on behalf of guitar owners everywhere - and every brand - I urge you to pursue this matter. Maybe contact Gibson Customer Service at 800-444-2766 and see if they are interested in your story. I feel terribly for you, please ask for any help you may need. Neo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph S. Posted August 4, 2008 Author Share Posted August 4, 2008 Would they actually give a rip? What do you think they would do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Deadhead Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 I noticed a couple of holes by the tailpiece. I wonder if it had some kind of tremolo on it and was changed to the stop bar by some dweeb who didn't know what he was doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Would they actually give a rip? What do you think they would do? I dunno. A counterfeit is a criminal thing, Gibson would LOVE to know who was behind it. I say call 'em and see what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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