Acousticologist Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Hey, I have an Advanced Jumbo and was planing on installing a pickup. The open slot bridge makes it impossible for an under the saddle pickup right?? Has anyone tried the LR Baggs "Anthem" pickup?
Martin 1940D28 Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Just get an "electric" guitar. Martin 1940D28
drathbun Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Pretty lame answer there Martin. Should have suspected as much from your username! ;) Jason. You don't want an undersaddle anyway. IMO they don't bring out the acoustic character of the acoustic guitar. I'm hearing great things about the Anthem and the soundclips I've heard sound great too. Part of the answer comes from the end use of the pickup. Is it for playing live or recording? I have not tried an Anthem but from what I see and read, it doesn't have any feedback issues and so is a good choice for live situations. OTOH, the Baggs iBeam is (again IMO) a very realistic reproduction of the guitar for recording or playing in small live situations. It is prone to feedback in larger live venues. I've played my SWD with the iBeam live and had no issues at all. I had comments on how great the guitar sounded from musicians in the audience. You can't go wrong with LR Baggs in my opinion. Top products with first class, personal support.
Acousticologist Posted January 24, 2011 Author Posted January 24, 2011 Pretty lame answer there Martin. Should have suspected as much from your username! ;) Jason. You don't want an undersaddle anyway. IMO they don't bring out the acoustic character of the acoustic guitar. I'm hearing great things about the Anthem and the soundclips I've heard sound great too. Part of the answer comes from the end use of the pickup. Is it for playing live or recording? I have not tried an Anthem but from what I see and read, it doesn't have any feedback issues and so is a good choice for live situations. OTOH, the Baggs iBeam is (again IMO) a very realistic reproduction of the guitar for recording or playing in small live situations. It is prone to feedback in larger live venues. I've played my SWD with the iBeam live and had no issues at all. I had comments on how great the guitar sounded from musicians in the audience. You can't go wrong with LR Baggs in my opinion. Top products with first class, personal support. Thanks Drathbun. I'm a working musician, so need my instruments to be able to work with me, Studio, stage and everything in between. I love the duel source baggs. As well as their iMix. But am at a loss for the installation of those. No place to drill and feed the under saddle through. Bridge is open ended on both sides. Perhaps the ibeam by itself then...
J-1854Me Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I have had UST pickups (Fishman Natural Matrix II and Highlanders) installed in guitars with the slot saddle bridge, with great success. The guitar tech has to be familiar with such installs, is the main thing to check on.
Martin 1940D28 Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Hi folks, Sorry if I ruffled your "down feathers", one of my pride and joys would be my "Gibson Advanced Jumbo". For the life of me, I cannot understand how a guitar company would spend a half century or so developing one of the best sounding acoustic guitars on the planet, and, then, to have some moron or misfit want to make it an "electric Guitar". Once again, get an electric guitar!!!! Martin 1940D28
J-1854Me Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Hi folks, Sorry if I ruffled your "down feathers", one of my pride and joys would be my "Gibson Advanced Jumbo". For the life of me, I cannot understand how a guitar company would spend a half century or so developing one of the best sounding acoustic guitars on the planet, and, then, to have some moron or misfit want to make it an "electric Guitar". Once again, get an electric guitar!!!! Martin 1940D28 None of my feathers are ruffled (yet)! I guess my view differs a bit from yours in that I see the utility of a guitar as a tool for making music being expanded by having the opportunity of installing a (fairly non-intrusive) pickup in the thing. In the 30s, when the AJ, the J-35 and other classic guitars were being designed and built, they worked with materials and understanding and tools available. A lot of the designs that were developed were in response to the musical demands at the time -- playing live totally acoustic with other instruments meant having to be heard in the mix well. Playing in a larger setting meant being gathered around a single microphone and playing into it for your solo or backing off for the rhthym backing. With the introduction of electric pickups, and later on, electronics, "options" became available. From DeArmonds back then to LR Baggs today, people have been applying what is available to help them optimize their sound. An acoustic has a different sound than an electric (although I can fake an electric pretty good with some of my acoustics using the right electronic 'stuff'!), but for sound reinforcement of an acoustic, I would think that musicians of yesteryear would have used the tools/technology we have today, had they had it then. My view, despite your or my feathers, is that a properly-installed pickup will not detract from a guitar's acoustic sound (not that I have heard) and can actually increase its usefulness in playing music in a wide variety of situations and venues. Hey Hey My My!
retrorod Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 None of my feathers are ruffled (yet)! I guess my view differs a bit from yours in that I see the utility of a guitar as a tool for making music being expanded by having the opportunity of installing a (fairly non-intrusive) pickup in the thing. In the 30s, when the AJ, the J-35 and other classic guitars were being designed and built, they worked with materials and understanding and tools available. A lot of the designs that were developed were in response to the musical demands at the time -- playing live totally acoustic with other instruments meant having to be heard in the mix well. Playing in a larger setting meant being gathered around a single microphone and playing into it for your solo or backing off for the rhthym backing. With the introduction of electric pickups, and later on, electronics, "options" became available. From DeArmonds back then to LR Baggs today, people have been applying what is available to help them optimize their sound. An acoustic has a different sound than an electric (although I can fake an electric pretty good with some of my acoustics using the right electronic 'stuff'!), but for sound reinforcement of an acoustic, I would think that musicians of yesteryear would have used the tools/technology we have today, had they had it then. My view, despite your or my feathers, is that a properly-installed pickup will not detract from a guitar's acoustic sound (not that I have heard) and can actually increase its usefulness in playing music in a wide variety of situations and venues. Hey Hey My My! ROCK AND ROLL WILL NEVER DIE......
drathbun Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 An acoustic guitar with a good pickup is not an electric guitar anymore than an acoustic guitar with a microphone in front of it is an electric guitar. However, my quarrel with your answer was its flip brevity. If you had explained your answer of "get an electric guitar", it might have been considered helpful. No feathers were ruffled here; just an observation of someone with 11 posts giving a smart assed answer.
J-200 Koa Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Hi folks, Sorry if I ruffled your "down feathers", one of my pride and joys would be my "Gibson Advanced Jumbo". For the life of me, I cannot understand how a guitar company would spend a half century or so developing one of the best sounding acoustic guitars on the planet, and, then, to have some moron or misfit want to make it an "electric Guitar". Once again, get an electric guitar!!!! Martin 1940D28 I believe jasonayres came here looking for advice and widsom.... unfortunately, he got neither from our Martin friend.
SoonerBuckeye Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Either the active Baggs I-Beam or the K&K Western mini would be great choices for this guitar. They both attach to the bridge plate inside the guitar and really reproduce the true acoustic character of the instrument. The one draw-back would be if you intend to play at high volumes (like in a band). then feedback can be an issue. Bob
mking Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I have the K&K mini western in both my Martin HD-28V and Gibosn True Vintage J-45. To me this pickup produces the true sound of the acoustic guitar and the three sensors attach to the bridge plate. The company that sells the K&K Mini also sells an item called the "vintage jack". It is a jack that is the same size and an exact reproduction of the end pin strap button so I did not have to have the body drilled on the Martin. It fit right in. I didn't go the same route on the Gibson, I just had the regular jack installed that came with the pickup. I lot of folks use this pickup and don't feel the need for a direct box. This to me is a great product. I didn't want to fuss with an active system and changing out batteries so this passive pickup works great for me. Good luck.
Acousticologist Posted January 29, 2011 Author Posted January 29, 2011 Thanks Kingme. Very helpful. Does that K & K resist feedback? Or does it flip over when you push it??
AJ-Emanuel Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Hy, I'm new in this forum so ciao to everybody! My only acoustic, till last week was a Guild D4 (already Fender period but still Westerly production), good entry level guitar. But last week finally after some months of researcg enetered in my house the Gibson Advanced Jumbo. I found a used AJ (2009) in a shop, with already installed Fishman undersaddle, so I went there tried and bought it. So the answer to Acusticologist: Yes is possible to install an undesaddle in an open slot brdige. If it is a good thing or not is what I would like to undersatand here in this forum. I don't want to talk about best amplification system (I have a K&K on Guild an I'm ok), I want just to understand if the job from the previous owner was well done or not. Attached you should see a picture of installation. I suppose the operation done are 3: . eliminated rosewood meterial from the bridge slot to make place for the pick-up (are visible the original plane at the beginning and end of slot, and second deeper plane in the middle) . 1 hole drilled obviously for the cable (not visible in photo) . 6 grooves near each pin! the reason for this I think was to to get extremely low action, infact the bone edge is only a little bit higher than bridge. So the question for you is if you can show me how is the AJ bridge bone slot at new, without any rework. Many thanks
espasonico Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 I have installed a K&K Pure Mini because of the same problem. Here´s something you might find interesting: http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/Pickups/LongSadPU/longsadpu.html
Acousticologist Posted February 21, 2011 Author Posted February 21, 2011 I have installed a K&K Pure Mini because of the same problem. Here´s something you might find interesting: http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/Pickups/LongSadPU/longsadpu.html oooh, very interesting... Thanks for posting..
Greggor Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Just put the LR BAGGS M1A in my 2003 AJ and love it. Play it with, play it without, acoustic or electric, whatever you wish! Just enjoy it! I think I'll be giving my Martin away since it came WITH electronics since I don't want to own any ELECTRIC GUITARS!
AJ-Emanuel Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Just put the LR BAGGS M1A in my 2003 AJ and love it. Play it with, play it without, acoustic or electric, whatever you wish! Just enjoy it! I think I'll be giving my Martin away since it came WITH electronics since I don't want to own any ELECTRIC GUITARS! Thanks, I've heard that for strumming magnetic pick up are the best. Strange for me to believe but never tried so once I'have the opportinuity I will try.
AJ-Emanuel Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 I have installed a K&K Pure Mini because of the same problem. Here´s something you might find interesting: http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/Pickups/LongSadPU/longsadpu.html Yes, good to know, there's always something to learn.
EuroAussie Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 If you cam instal it you will love a fishman matrix combined with a fishman aura spectrum DI. I use this combo on my acoustics and we often get complements on how natural out live tone is.
AJ-Emanuel Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 About B-string compensation in the saddle. as told I have a used AJ with non original saddle, looking on the web some photo it seems AJ comes NOT b-string compensated, is it so? IN general B-string compensation is a must or there is a reason if AJ has not this feature? hope someone can answer Thanks
rar Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 IN general B-string compensation is a must or there is a reason if AJ has not this feature? Compensated saddles are a modern innovation. The originals didn't have a compensated B-string, so the modern reproductions don't either. Plus, it's not like B-string compensation is "right". Some players think some generic B-string compensation helps in the compromise that guitar tuning is all about, some don't. -- Bob R
AJ-Emanuel Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Compensated saddles are a modern innovation. The originals didn't have a compensated B-string, so the modern reproductions don't either. Plus, it's not like B-string compensation is "right". Some players think some generic B-string compensation helps in the compromise that guitar tuning is all about, some don't. -- Bob R thanks, clear and precise
Martin 1940D28 Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 For shame, for shame, all you "DREAMERS". How do you expect a new "Quality American made guitar" to sound as good as a "Vintage" made American Guitar. Why in God's name would you want to amplify a proven acoustic guitar? Maybee, your thumb has been in the wrong place for a number of years. "as Fonze would say" sit on it! Dreamers Dreamers Dreamers, ifn you want a great sounding guitar, get an early Martin or Gibson. Maybe you will live to be 82 years old and notice a change in a new one. Come on, give yourself a shake... Martin 1940D28. PS you can always give your money to china or whatever.
moej45 Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 For shame, for shame, all you "DREAMERS". How do you expect a new "Quality American made guitar" to sound as good as a "Vintage" made American Guitar. Why in God's name would you want to amplify a proven acoustic guitar? Maybee, your thumb has been in the wrong place for a number of years. "as Fonze would say" sit on it! Dreamers Dreamers Dreamers, ifn you want a great sounding guitar, get an early Martin or Gibson. Maybe you will live to be 82 years old and notice a change in a new one. Come on, give yourself a shake... Martin 1940D28. PS you can always give your money to china or whatever. You seem to be an awesome guy!!!
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