RBSinTo Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 11 hours ago, mihcmac said: Sometimes the when a score is written out for sheet music they just apply chords from a standard chord chart, that are not what the original players used, but a translation. If you write down the chords and study them you may find a pattern that is a combination of open and bar chords. Look for the simplest way to play the song and you may be a lot closer to the way it was actually played. mihcmac, Whenever I get music, I double-check any chords I'm unfamiliar with to make sure they sound correct and are correctly labelled (as often the ones shown are not). And if I'm still not satisfied, I speak to our Grandchildrens' music teacher, who is a professional musician, and composer, and he verifies or gives me alternate fingerings. When I like a song, I'm not looking for the easiest way to play it, but rather the correct way. Often the music found on the internet, for example, has been "sanitized" so that the difficult chords have been replaced by simpler ones, so the music sounds close, but not completely correct. For some songs, I have multiple versions, and despite the degree of difficulty, will learn the the that is closest to the original. Interestingly, I have a friend who is a much better musician than I am (both in ability and musical theory knowledge), who believes that I should basically stick to playing songs with only a few simple chords, rather than going to all the trouble of learning the "exotic" chords necessary to play more complicated songs. I disagree, and continue to learn tougher songs. RBSinTo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 22 hours ago, Mr. Natural said: ZZ Top, Deguello Love Manic Mechanic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karloff Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Lake Marie by John Prine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 4 hours ago, RBSinTo said: mihcmac, Whenever I get music, I double-check any chords I'm unfamiliar with to make sure they sound correct and are correctly labelled (as often the ones shown are not). And if I'm still not satisfied, I speak to our Grandchildrens' music teacher, who is a professional musician, and composer, and he verifies or gives me alternate fingerings. When I like a song, I'm not looking for the easiest way to play it, but rather the correct way. Often the music found on the internet, for example, has been "sanitized" so that the difficult chords have been replaced by simpler ones, so the music sounds close, but not completely correct. For some songs, I have multiple versions, and despite the degree of difficulty, will learn the the that is closest to the original. Interestingly, I have a friend who is a much better musician than I am (both in ability and musical theory knowledge), who believes that I should basically stick to playing songs with only a few simple chords, rather than going to all the trouble of learning the "exotic" chords necessary to play more complicated songs. I disagree, and continue to learn tougher songs. RBSinTo When I got my first Beatles complete song booking in the early 70's I found it very difficult to follow some of the complex chords. Over the years I replaced it and found that in each era edition the chords started morphing. My current book is a 99 edition that was heavily edited by them showing what they actually used. The 99 edition is the simplest to understand, so far. Having this translation has kind of opened the door for me to their playing style and simplified their songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, mihcmac said: When I got my first Beatles complete song booking in the early 70's I found it very difficult to follow some of the complex chords. Over the years I replaced it and found that in each era edition the chords started morphing. My current book is a 99 edition that was heavily edited by them showing what they actually used. The 99 edition is the simplest to understand, so far. Having this translation has kind of opened the door for me to their playing style and simplified their songs. Some of the chords in the books are complex because often they are non-barred versions. When I first began playing, I made the concious decision to learn how to play barred chords, which has made playing considerably easier. A friend who plays old time rock and roll does it without barring, and has had to learn (unnecessarily in my opinion) a ton of non-barred shapes to do what I do easily by barring. Also, as the Beatles maturred, their music moved on from "three magic chord" compositions, and became more complex. The odd augmented chord in their earlier compositions evolved into a plethora of more complex and sophisticated ones in latter songs. RBSinTo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, mihcmac said: When I got my first Beatles complete song booking in the early 70's I found it very difficult to follow some of the complex chords. Over the years I replaced it and found that in each era edition the chords started morphing. My current book is a 99 edition that was heavily edited by them showing what they actually used. The 99 edition is the simplest to understand, so far. Having this translation has kind of opened the door for me to their playing style and simplified their songs. Yeah those guys for musicians with no formal training used a heap ton of chords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Yeah those guys for musicians with no formal training used a heap ton of chords. Yep they were heavily influenced by Skiffle which uses modified chord combinations similar to jazz. If you notice the chords used and the way they are applied in the song you can play this song without hardly moving you hand position. Note that they also used tons of modified or simplified bar chords in other songs that allowed you to stay in a relatively close hand position. Edited April 16, 2021 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Natural Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Love Manic Mechanic. There are only a couple of cuts on that album that I'm not fond of. Deguello is maybe my favorite ZZ Top LP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 or. Satanic Mechanic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 15 hours ago, Mr. Natural said: There are only a couple of cuts on that album that I'm not fond of. Deguello is maybe my favorite ZZ Top LP. Yeah Deguello is really good, the next one was them starting to get silly and then when the spinning furry guitars happened it was a joke and over for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, mihcmac said: or. Satanic Mechanic I yelled lines at the movie screen so many times watching that movie. Edited April 17, 2021 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Natural Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Yeah Deguello is really good, the next one was them starting to get silly and then when the spinning furry guitars happened it was a joke and over for me. I thought El Loco was still pretty good. The spinning furry guitars appeared in Eliminator. And, you're right, it has been mostly downhill since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Just now, Mr. Natural said: I thought El Loco was still pretty good. The spinning furry guitars appeared in Eliminator. And, you're right, it has been mostly downhill since. Yeah El Loco had some good stuff on it. What were they trying to convey with Tube Snake Boogie and Pearl Necklace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Natural Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Yeah El Loco had some good stuff on it. What were they trying to convey with Tube Snake Boogie and Pearl Necklace? When I was in high school, we called it tube steak. And pearl necklace? "That's not jewelry she's talkin' 'bout." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Bourée Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 I was rocking Robert Palmer - Sneakin’ Sally Through The Alley earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinch Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I listened to a couple Insane Clown Posse songs. Curmudgeon Pterodactyl is not impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Pinch said: I listened to a couple Insane Clown Posse songs. Curmudgeon Pterodactyl is not impressed. Did you think you would be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinch Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Did you think you would be? Not really, no. But you never know. Then again, sometimes you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Natural Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Fleetwood Mac in Chicago 1969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Roxy Music - The First Roxy Music Album. Why does Brian Ferry need to use the annoying vibrato/tremelo on his voice at times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Playing along to the "Deadpool" version of "Take me on" by a-ha. Another example of a fast, "bubblegum" song that becomes truly wonderful, when arranged and played slowly. RBSinTo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I'm only familiar with the A-Ha version, and IMHO all it had going for it was a nice video. Whitefang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Whitefang said: I'm only familiar with the A-Ha version, and IMHO all it had going for it was a nice video. Whitefang Ok. I like the tune, and am learning to play it irrespective of the video. RBSinTo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 As is your prerogative. Whitefang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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