tazzboy Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Firefox only. I rarely use IE unless the site requires it. I try Google Chrome and didn't care for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Wunterslausche Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 I have always used IE, and I have finally got used to the new version (IE9). I have tried Firefox, but it has some annoying features such as the download manager, so I will stick with IE. Google's chrome is said to be quite fast, but it has had some security issues compared to Firefox and IE. I believe, however, that most of these problems have been solved in the newest version. This could go quite deep but IMHO it is arguable that Chrome is the most secure of the big 5. Chrome uses sandbox techniques which make it almost unhackable. For this reason they were originaly excluded from Pwn2Own 2010, an event at which hackers have to successfully run an exploit on the browsers. Safari, IE and FF are invariably hacked on day one. Chrome has never been hacked during the event. They got back in by stumping up the prize fund and offering their usual $10000 reward for discovering an exploit, on top of the usual prize. All that said, a security firm called Vupen has recently managed to run what they call an extremely sophisticated exploit on it. This is thought to be very difficult to reproduce and Vupen will NOT publish it. Google are taking measures to eliminate the small risk. Opinions on these things will always be strongly held and I'm sure someone will eloquently explain why all the above is rubbish. BTW I use all 5 of the big boys and a couple of others, as a web and server application developer I have to test everything in every environment. Chrome is my go to if I'm just doing personal surfing. I also use the stock Android webkit 3.1 bassed browser and Dolphin HD on my Android devices. I am beta testing the latest version of Dolphin and that's a game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky scott 29 Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 I always use either my Mac Pro, or Imac, with Safari 5.1, to be exact, with a prerelease of Lion as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra Musical Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 i've tried using IE9 and it has got to be junk, chrome works for most things and is quick but still finding some incompatibilities. So firefox 4.0.1 for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ne14t? Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Personally I use Mozzarella Firefox just because its very user friendly and when setup right it prevents 100% of pop ups and stupid crap like that I dont need while surfing my pr0n. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman5293 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 LMAO! This picture hits the nail on the head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ne14t? Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 LMAO! This picture hits the nail on the head! That Safari bike clearly belongs to a Hipster aswell, its a single speed and has a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon in the basket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky scott 29 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 You are really paying close attention to detail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Anyone who thinks that any browser is faster than an other doesn't know anything about computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Wunterslausche Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Anyone who thinks that any browser is faster than an other is a complete fool who doesn't know anything about computers. Not like you to just make an outrageous trollish comment like that. I assume you don't really believe that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman5293 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Anyone who thinks that any browser is faster than an other is a complete fool who doesn't know anything about computers. So either you're just trolling or you really believe that and your a complete idiot. I really hope your just trolling............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 RE: Speeding up a laptop... I'll agree that additional "ram" memory is almost certainly a good thing for most off-the-shelf consumer computers, that's not necessarily what will make the big difference. One might wish to check, or have checked, what the computer loads as part of its startup. Sometimes that can eat speed like you can't believe. As for Firefox... yeah, I think you can get it way, way overcooked with add-ons. But I've always kinda liked doing some customizing of my computers to do what I wanna do, and how I want to do it. Today's programs seem sometimes to make that more difficult due apparently to the belief of programmers that one size should fit all, and if you don't like it, you're stupid. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Haha people really still do believe that do they? Oh thats funny... Browsers dont really matter, most people favor one over the other mostly for just fanboyism. Why do you think you never see nerds arguing which browser is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman5293 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Haha people really still do believe that do they? Oh thats funny... Browsers dont really matter, most people favor one over the other mostly for just fanboyism. Why do you think you never see nerds arguing which browser is better. Then all hope is lost. You sir have failed me for the last time.................. Obviously you've never worked with web browser design and website design. The stuff that goes into a web browser's design is the biggest factor that determines the speed of a web browser. What engine they build it with. The order in which it processes certain objects on a particular web page. How it manages and uses system resources in order to work at maximum efficiency. You have much to learn about the ways of web browsers sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Then all hope is lost. You sir have failed me for the last time.................. Obviously you've never worked with web browser design and website design. The stuff that goes into a web browser's design is the biggest factor that determines the speed of a web browser. What engine they build it with. The order in which it processes certain objects on a particular web page. How it manages and uses system resources in order to work at maximum efficiency. You have much to learn about the ways of web browsers sir. Haha, your serious aren't you? You know, i always asked people which one is better, ive asked nerds, hobbyists, run of the mill people and then i ask the professionals. Those who spend all day works on computers and making computers, and whats the most common answer i get from them? All of the big names are really the same, some have other little things that are good but when it comes to speed just pick which ever one. I even asked a professor who teaches mechanical engineering once and he told me that even though one browser might be the most fast one it could be slowing down other programs. You can get very technical, but just like the Mac VS PC thing, its dated, its stupid and its pointless to talk about. After all of time of stupid arguments ive had, its the all the same. I have made peace with computers, only something few humans will ever do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ne14t? Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Depending on browsers general web pages will not vary in time to make as the are generally just made with HTML but once you start adding in fancy scripts and stuff load times will vary depending on how the browser works with said script. Java, Active X, ASP, GCI, PHP, JavaScript, JScript, VBScript, Python, Perl, XML, VRML are a bunch of different scripts run on all sorts of web pages, and depending on how compatible your browser is with each you will experience different load times, some scripts will not work with some browswers without updating or downloading stand off applications. Generally the difference is extremely small and at most may only be a couple seconds difference. RAM is what essentially determines the speed of your computer, its funny that most people beleive they need a faster CPU or larger HDD when there computer starts getting slow, but in reality you need more RAM and need to defragment your HDD more often. Nothing is saved as a continous string of data on your HDD it stores it in random spots on random discs (fragmented) so when you ask your computer to pull up a file or run a program it has to get all the required files off your HDD or find the program and run it, once it has found it on the HDD it loads it up into your RAM (Random Access Memory) were it is then used by the CPU, nothing is ever run directly off your HDD. All the programs that run when you start your computer are all in your RAM, so its very easy to slow a faster computer down quickly. Removing programs you dont need runing at startup and frequent defragmenting will actually keep your computer running fast. If you ever have any computer jams shoot me PM here I am A+ and MCTS certified I started building computers from scratch 13 years ago when I was 12 (first dual cpu i386 system I made caught on fire the same day I finished it...good times) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Wunterslausche Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Haha, your serious aren't you? You know, i always asked people which one is better, ive asked nerds, hobbyists, run of the mill people and then i ask the professionals. Those who spend all day works on computers and making computers, and whats the most common answer i get from them? All of the big names are really the same, some have other little things that are good but when it comes to speed just pick which ever one. I even asked a professor who teaches mechanical engineering once and he told me that even though one browser might be the most fast one it could be slowing down other programs. You can get very technical, but just like the Mac VS PC thing, its dated, its stupid and its pointless to talk about. After all of time of stupid arguments ive had, its the all the same. I have made peace with computers, only something few humans will ever do... I am afraid that all the users and professionals you asked are simply wrong, as is the professor of mechanical engineering. The way we browsers render pages is different for every browser, they way they handle processes is different for every browser, they way the handle storage of data inRAM is different for every browser. E.G. The reason Chrome is very fast is that s sandboxes each process. One result is that what happens in each tab is independent to the others so if one tab crashed, the others don't, it also means that if a piece of code is taking it's time in a tab it has no effect on the speed of what happens in the other tabs. Another E.G is that Chrome uses a clever memory management system which ensures that data is never written in to the same writable memory block twice, this makes it hard, arguably impossible, for exploits to intercept data as it is written into, or read from, RAM. Another E.G is that Firefox is very modular which is the reason that so many functions can be easily added with "add-ons". Even simple things like CSS are handled differently by the various rendering engines of different browsers and as developers, we have to write reams of extra code to ensure cross browser compatibility of our CSS code. Google "3 pixel jog" are "viewing transparent PNGs in IE" if you need convincing about these issues. A lot of browsers are based upon what is called webkit3.1 but they still all have differences in rendering and process management. They also have differing degrees of un-necessary bloat included in them which has a huge impact on speed. Flash is implemented differently by each browser and there is a separate flash plugin for each which also has an impact. If you really want to see a crazy fast browser download and compile Lynx and try a few pages in that, you'll probably never see a page actually load, it will simply appear at the moment you make a submission or click a link. Sure, it's a text only browser which is no good for most people but it illustrates the point nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 I am afraid that all the users and professionals you asked are simply wrong, as is the professor of mechanical engineering. The way we browsers render pages is different for every browser, they way they handle processes is different for every browser, they way the handle storage of data inRAM is different for every browser. E.G. The reason Chrome is very fast is that s sandboxes each process. One result is that what happens in each tab is independent to the others so if one tab crashed, the others don't, it also means that if a piece of code is taking it's time in a tab it has no effect on the speed of what happens in the other tabs. Another E.G is that Chrome uses a clever memory management system which ensures that data is never written in to the same writable memory block twice, this makes it hard, arguably impossible, for exploits to intercept data as it is written into, or read from, RAM. Another E.G is that Firefox is very modular which is the reason that so many functions can be easily added with "add-ons". Even simple things like CSS are handled differently by the various rendering engines of different browsers and as developers, we have to write reams of extra code to ensure cross browser compatibility of our CSS code. Google "3 pixel jog" are "viewing transparent PNGs in IE" if you need convincing about these issues. A lot of browsers are based upon what is called webkit3.1 but they still all have differences in rendering and process management. They also have differing degrees of un-necessary bloat included in them which has a huge impact on speed. Flash is implemented differently by each browser and there is a separate flash plugin for each which also has an impact. If you really want to see a crazy fast browser download and compile Lynx and try a few pages in that, you'll probably never see a page actually load, it will simply appear at the moment you make a submission or click a link. Sure, it's a text only browser which is no good for most people but it illustrates the point nicely. Hmm Some guy on the internet verus people in real life who works with computers for a living. Im chossing the guys in real life, thanks. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 I've never thought of browsers in terms of speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 ne14t? Good to hear your perspective and some of those from others who are in the trenches on this stuff... I built my first computer in 1981, 8-bit - but did it with a "kit." No way I could have written an OS, but I got a Basic interpreter, later compiler, and wrote my own word processor and databases while I was teaching myself Basic. (I did my code modularly, though, not spaghetti code.) Sheesh, no way I could keep up with stuff you guys are doing. I gave up when Oops and GUIs became the in things with such as C and C+ etc. OTOH, my baby bro is traveling this week teaching how to teach and help developers put AV hooks into MS operating systems and stuff. He works for Uncle Bill. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman5293 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Depending on browsers general web pages will not vary in time to make as the are generally just made with HTML but once you start adding in fancy scripts and stuff load times will vary depending on how the browser works with said script. Java, Active X, ASP, GCI, PHP, JavaScript, JScript, VBScript, Python, Perl, XML, VRML are a bunch of different scripts run on all sorts of web pages, and depending on how compatible your browser is with each you will experience different load times, some scripts will not work with some browswers without updating or downloading stand off applications. Generally the difference is extremely small and at most may only be a couple seconds difference. RAM is what essentially determines the speed of your computer, its funny that most people beleive they need a faster CPU or larger HDD when there computer starts getting slow, but in reality you need more RAM and need to defragment your HDD more often. Nothing is saved as a continous string of data on your HDD it stores it in random spots on random discs (fragmented) so when you ask your computer to pull up a file or run a program it has to get all the required files off your HDD or find the program and run it, once it has found it on the HDD it loads it up into your RAM (Random Access Memory) were it is then used by the CPU, nothing is ever run directly off your HDD. All the programs that run when you start your computer are all in your RAM, so its very easy to slow a faster computer down quickly. Removing programs you dont need runing at startup and frequent defragmenting will actually keep your computer running fast. If you ever have any computer jams shoot me PM here I am A+ and MCTS certified I started building computers from scratch 13 years ago when I was 12 (first dual cpu i386 system I made caught on fire the same day I finished it...good times) I am afraid that all the users and professionals you asked are simply wrong, as is the professor of mechanical engineering. The way we browsers render pages is different for every browser, they way they handle processes is different for every browser, they way the handle storage of data inRAM is different for every browser. E.G. The reason Chrome is very fast is that s sandboxes each process. One result is that what happens in each tab is independent to the others so if one tab crashed, the others don't, it also means that if a piece of code is taking it's time in a tab it has no effect on the speed of what happens in the other tabs. Another E.G is that Chrome uses a clever memory management system which ensures that data is never written in to the same writable memory block twice, this makes it hard, arguably impossible, for exploits to intercept data as it is written into, or read from, RAM. Another E.G is that Firefox is very modular which is the reason that so many functions can be easily added with "add-ons". Even simple things like CSS are handled differently by the various rendering engines of different browsers and as developers, we have to write reams of extra code to ensure cross browser compatibility of our CSS code. Google "3 pixel jog" are "viewing transparent PNGs in IE" if you need convincing about these issues. A lot of browsers are based upon what is called webkit3.1 but they still all have differences in rendering and process management. They also have differing degrees of un-necessary bloat included in them which has a huge impact on speed. Flash is implemented differently by each browser and there is a separate flash plugin for each which also has an impact. If you really want to see a crazy fast browser download and compile Lynx and try a few pages in that, you'll probably never see a page actually load, it will simply appear at the moment you make a submission or click a link. Sure, it's a text only browser which is no good for most people but it illustrates the point nicely. These guys know what they're talking about! Hmm Some guy on the internet verus people in real life who works with computers for a living. Im chossing the guys in real life, thanks. :) This guy does not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Wunterslausche Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Hmm Some guy on the internet verus people in real life who works with computers for a living. Im chossing the guys in real life, thanks. :) Well dem00n, you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but... With respect: You are 16, that's not an issue in itself but clearly you have not been alive for long enough to have studied the subject to any great depth. This "some guy on the internet" is somewhat older than that, owns a very reputable web development and server application development company which operates on, and is well established and respected on the international stage. I have been developing software, including: Browser add ons for developers, Contributions to some of the worlds biggest open source projects(Joomla, OSC, Dolphin Community Builder etc), Custom database network applications, Symbian apps, Android apps, Custom ROMs and apps for many mobile devices, since before you were born! I was also building computers before you were born; Just(Back when it was more than a simple jigsaw puzzle). I have written custom Linux kernels for specialist hardware, such as 3 dimensional engine ECU mapping systems, touch screen information panels, ticket machines and more. I really don't mind if you take my opinion as informed or not but just one thing... You are repeating what you have been told (or at least what you believed you understood you were being told), and presenting it with some conviction. I am telling the good people here what I know and understand down to the tiniest detail and from my perspective of being the owner of a leader in the industry (in my country, if not Europe). The people reading this thread can now make their own minds up about the validity of what each of us is saying knowing a little more about our backgrounds, which I think is important. Perhaps you might reconsider "chossing the guys in real life", perhaps not, but at least I got all that of my chest and everyone else here is now in a better position to decide which one of us might be a more reliable source! Please take this post in the way that it was meant, I am afraid of coming across as aggressive or argumentative which I don't want to do, it's hard to flat out say "You are wrong and here's why" without being a bit rude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAS44 Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Anyone who thinks that any browser is faster than an other doesn't know anything about computers. Erm. I find that ridiculous. I've tested it (and I just did too). Each time I came to the forums. Chrome was considerably faster than IE, and Opera (I don't have others on here). Where they took a few seconds, chrome loaded it rapidly. It's not a comparison of browsers (though my favorite performed the best), it's merely my test of your statement. In this case, there was definitely a difference. and cheers to you farns, quite a resume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Wunterslausche Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Depending on browsers general web pages will not vary in time to make as the are generally just made with HTML but once you start adding in fancy scripts and stuff load times will vary depending on how the browser works with said script. Java, Active X, ASP, GCI, PHP, JavaScript, JScript, VBScript, Python, Perl, XML, VRML are a bunch of different scripts run on all sorts of web pages, and depending on how compatible your browser is with each you will experience different load times, some scripts will not work with some browswers without updating or downloading stand off applications. Generally the difference is extremely small and at most may only be a couple seconds difference. RAM is what essentially determines the speed of your computer, its funny that most people beleive they need a faster CPU or larger HDD when there computer starts getting slow, but in reality you need more RAM and need to defragment your HDD more often. Nothing is saved as a continous string of data on your HDD it stores it in random spots on random discs (fragmented) so when you ask your computer to pull up a file or run a program it has to get all the required files off your HDD or find the program and run it, once it has found it on the HDD it loads it up into your RAM (Random Access Memory) were it is then used by the CPU, nothing is ever run directly off your HDD. All the programs that run when you start your computer are all in your RAM, so its very easy to slow a faster computer down quickly. Removing programs you dont need runing at startup and frequent defragmenting will actually keep your computer running fast. If you ever have any computer jams shoot me PM here I am A+ and MCTS certified I started building computers from scratch 13 years ago when I was 12 (first dual cpu i386 system I made caught on fire the same day I finished it...good times) That's funny, I built my first computer when I was 12, in '88, it was an 80286 based system with an early Intel chipset and a Thompson processor (Remember those Intel clones). I was really impressed that it had 256k of RAM. 5 years later I built a machine based on the early Pentium architecture, this wasn't pentium as we know it of course but was really 2 interlinked 80486 processors, making it a 80586 really but intel first used the name Pentium for those. The later Pentium Pro was a complete shift from x86 based chips to a totally new architecture. I was impressed that this had 256MB of ram (That was huge for the day, I didn't want to run a swap file) I was really disappointed when the PS2 and AT/ATX/MicroATX form factors appeared, making computer building just a question of slotting things together, a hand full of screws and go. Took the fun out of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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