Nic LP Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Hi everyone. I've been looking around for a new amp but I can't find anything I like. Does anybody know a good forum about guitar amps ?? For those here who would like to help, here's my story... : I need something for occasional gigs. I'm the only guitarist in a band that plays Metallica, Sabbath, Maiden, etc. I have a Carvin with floyd rose and a few LPs. I don't like tubes amps, I find the sound too bright, too dry... I was thinking going rackmount but I heard this is not around these days anymore... wtf ??? I once tried the JSX combo from Peavey and I kinda liked it, but still, those tubes are bugging me. I just want a rich, full, round distortion, for rhythm and lead parts. Cheers from Montreal ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 If not here, try mylespaul.com , very cool guys over there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 ... I don't like tubes amps.... ... I just want a rich, full, round distortion, for rhythm and lead parts. Cheers from Montreal ! Sorry, but rich, full and round sounds like a tube amp for me....are you sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBlues Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Metallica, Sabbath, Iron Maiden... those seem like Marshall tones to me... I prefer tube amp tones to solid state ... In general... But there is nothing wrong with a solid state amp... Marshall for rock and Roland for cleaner tones... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U53rm18wq_M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPguitarman Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Can't go wrong with a Marshall or Peavey for that matter. I've had my Peavey Classic for as long as I can remember. The only thing I did to it was replace the stock speakers with Peavey Scorpions years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitefly Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Metallica, Sabbath, Iron Maiden... those seem like Marshall tones to me... I prefer tube amp tones to solid state ... In general... But there is nothing wrong with a solid state amp... Marshall for rock and Roland for cleaner tones... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U53rm18wq_M I digged the Steve Jones demo. Cheers CajunBlues for posting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanH Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 The guys over at Kramerforum.com are very knowledgable on amps and effects to get rock and metal tones. Try their 'Tone talk' sub-forum. Have you thought about running tube amps clean and using overdrive and/or distortion pedals to get your distortion? A lot of pros do this as an alternative to pushing a clipping valve amp with an OD pedal. There are lots of classic pedals you can try like the Proco Rat, Boss DS-1, Boss SD-1 and the various tubescreamer clones. You might also need to add some analog delay and chorus to your rig. If you want to get your tones more from the amp you should perhaps look at ones with lots of gain stages like an Engl Screamer or a Peavey 5150 (now 6505). Another high gain amp that seems to get good reviews is the Jet City which is a Soldano clone. If you want more classic rock then go for a Marshall- the Haze is being talked about a lot and you could also look for the Class 5 and then mic it up if you gig. At least that way you can get the benefit of its fully cranked tone. For versatility, people also seem to speak highly of the Egnator Tweaker and Egnator Rebel which allow you to dial in British and American tones. Blackstar HTs can also do this with their infinite shape feature. Sorry, the above are all valve amps but a lot of rock and metal players seem to like them so you could give them a try if you haven't already done so. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kineman Karma Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 A Fender Pro Tube TWIN AMP may cator for your needs. It is one of the most versatile Amps that I have ever used, THAT'S WHY I OWN ONE Good Luck with your Quest Mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versatile Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 It takes a while sitting with and adjusting amps to achieve one's dream tone Inherently a tube amp will sound rich and warm compared to transistors As mentioned, tones can be had by OD'ing the amp or fronting up with pedals for gain and FX Nowadays hybrid amps like Marshall Valvestate and Vox Valvetronics offer an economical entry to some great tones Many hybrids and transistor amps have 'amp model' circuitry to quickly dial in some iconic sounds You may need more than one amp.... :blink: V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaff Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I believe the bands you like use tube Amps, so I am surprised you like solid state! The only down sides of tube Amps are: - Cost, as you may need new tubes - You need to crank them up to get the best tone out of them For me, the ultimate match for my Les Paul 08 Standard is the Marshall Vintage Modern 2266 head + Marshall 245B Cab. It takes time to master the tone, but the results are amazing. Its loud enough for gigs and with its Master Volume, still sounds fantastic at home (or at least at the volume I play at home: 3-4). With only one channel, you need to make the guitar and amp work as one, as the the amount of attach in your playing and the guitar volume makes a massive difrance. This is not something I can explain, you need to experience it to understand if its right for you. All the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This_Dying_Soul Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Have you looked into Randall? They're known for making good quality solid state amps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzboy Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Marshall or Laney are good choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eracer_Team Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 plays Metallica, Sabbath, Maiden, etc. I don't like tubes amps, I find the sound too bright, too dry... This can't be serious can it? A tube amp too dry and bright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 ...You need to crank them up to get the best tone out of them... To be honest, i play my Fender Blues Deville 212 combo clean with the volume on 3 and it´s loud enough for my rock band with a loud drummer....For overdriven tones i use only pedals.Mostly Boosters as the Durham Mucho Boosto or the MXR MC-401. So i don´t even crank my amp to get "the best" tone...imo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic LP Posted July 2, 2011 Author Share Posted July 2, 2011 Thank you everyone. My conclusion is : the next time I try a tube amp, I'll crank it up, maybe it'll help... I'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanH Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Thank you everyone. My conclusion is : the next time I try a tube amp, I'll crank it up, maybe it'll help... I'll see. .....or set it for a cleaner tone and try some good OD/Distortion pedals with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angellus Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 go to the shop and try them out. I am a recent Blackstar convert from Marshall my Blackstar S1 100 watt head gives me all the grunt and power I need with 4 EL34 tubes and! a solid state rectifier that cleans it all up nicely and makes a fantastic tight sounding rock/metal amp and the ISF feature changes the tone from American Mids to British bottom & treble. There are all different combinations too with different valves definately worth a try. PS: anyone want a Marshall TSL100 £500? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcooper830 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Step 1. Get a Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 100 head. Step 2. Get an Avatar 2x12 cab with Celestion Vintage 30s or a Marshall 1960a 4x12 cab. Step 3. Get an Ibanez TS-808 Reissue Tubescreamer. Step 4. Plug in your Les Paul, turn it up ... and enjoy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexorgtr Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Metal eh? How about a Randall........ those are often forgotten, and they have mega gain. I have a Randall head that I built speaker cabs for... Great clean, and tons of gain.... Fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xinnix Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Thank you everyone. My conclusion is : the next time I try a tube amp, I'll crank it up, maybe it'll help... I'll see. Actually, thats how you do it. I have Marshall JCM800. I highly recommend one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic LP Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 First of all, thank you everyone for your replies, it helped me ! So I've done my homeworks and tried some tube and hybrid amps recently ( Marshall, Peavey, Hughes & Kettner, Orange and Mesa Boogie ) and the only amps I liked and that have enough gain were the Vypyr 120 watt head from Peavey, one from Orange and the JVM210H from Marshall, which was just amazing. In fact, I'm looking for a used head and 2 x 12'' 1936 cab right now. This amp is the first all tubes amp I enjoy for a while and it's got it's own personnality comparing all these modelling amps. I was really blown away, at last... ! So, if anyone knows another amp in the same sound range of that JVM, you can let me know. I would also take advices about cabs. Thanks. Nicolas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitefly Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Hi All, Since we are on this subject I have a question to ask. Does anyone have a 22-watt Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb Vintage Reissue and/or could provide some comments on this amp? It appears that mostly the JCM800 Marshall series comes up a lot and perhaps I should be considering this amp although it would probably be overkill for what I intend to use it for. I play mostly rock, blues, a little rockabilly, some jazz and even some punk. In terms of use, it would be for home and not gigging, albeit I want a solid all round amp which would compliment my 08 LP Standard. The only "negative" comments I have seen so far on this amp is that I would need a pedal to get real grunty distortion. I haven't gone to test any amps yet as I would like some insights to consider before getting out there. For warned is forearmed! Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I am lucky with amps. I've found what best fits my needs. These are vintage ('68-'70) Böhm-Regent all-tube, class "A" combos. The smaller ones are Regent 15s, the bigger ones are the Regent 30s (the upper one is under construction: as You can see it has no speakers in at the moment). These are real killers - made in East Germany. Even the small ones are extremely loud with great sound quality. I use the Regent 15s wired in stereo via Ibanez Twin-Cam Chorus pedal. One channel straight, outer is 90 degrees inverted. They are very flexible too: with my pedals I can get a wide range of sounds out of them: from vintage to modern. I bought the 15s (ab)used, and after complete rebuilt I was still at 200$/amp, the 30s were like 260$/amp. My tale won't help You much though, since I don't think anyone can find one on the American continent, but I highly recommend them for those who live in Europe. They are cheap on Ebay, but surely a big surprise for those who underestimate the products of the "socialist industry". :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulb Burner Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Best I've found was an old Fender Bassman 50. Strong, sturdy, can get parts anywhere. Loud as hell. If you want a rich, smooth full sound, tubes are your best best. I then picked up a Radial Tonebone Plexi overdrive pedal. Avatar 2x12 cab with two Celestion Vintage 30's. This set up covers ever spectrum you could imagine. I can go from Megadeth to Jazz with the trip of a switch. Best all around rig I've ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThunderz Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 If you like the heavy-heavy metal try these three tube amps- Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier, Marshall JCM 2000 TSL (Triple Super Lead= super high gain, designed for the heaviest of metal) or a Marshall JCM 900- the gain channel on the JCM 900 has clipping diode to overdrive the signal rather than a sole tube preamp. Also try out a Crate Blue Voodoo 120 watt- it's tube, but heavy as well with a well-rounded distortion that you can get plenty of good metal sounds from. Loud as hell too. I've heard good things about Peavey XXX from some of my friends in touring metal bands. As far as solid state I'd look into either Randall (I don't know model names, I've never shopped around for solid state amps) or Maybe Hughes and Kettner. Also a good bet is the Marshall Valvestate line from the 90's. You can get a VS100 half stack around my parts for about $200-250. If you take my advice and try these out and don't find something that works for you, well, I suggest you take up the clarinet or something. J/K ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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