ParlourMan Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 http://acn.liveauctioneers.com/index.php/auctions/upcoming-auctions/5013-lennon-dylan-owned-guitar-may-top-200k-july-29-at-heritage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Too many "maybe"'s and "possibly"'s in that description. In collectibles of this type, provenance is everything, and they don't even pretend to supply it. At least with the Clapton ES 335, he gave it directly to his own charity for auction. Fuggidaboutit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Whow ! Never knew this. Lennon/McCartney had new Brazilian rose D-28's with them to the far east. Only Gibson I've seen out there is Donovans cherryburst '64 J-45. Did Dylan play a J-160E live. When ? He didn't play live in the period the ad is talking about and only started up again somewhat 5 years later. I can be missing something here – If anyone has pictures of the 160 in Rishikesh or on stage with Dylan, please post. And can we see studio footage of Bob and this guitar in the same move. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Whow ! Never knew this. Lennon/McCartney had new Brazilian rose D-28's with them to the far east. Only Gibson I've seen out there is Donovans cherryburst '64 J-45. Did Dylan play a J-160E live. When ? He didn't play live in the period the ad is talking about and only started up again somewhat 5 years later. I can be missing something here – If anyone has pictures of the 160 in Rishikesh or on stage with Dylan, please post. And can we see studio footage of Bob and this guitar in the same move. . . Yeah, and I bought my beat-up 1948 J-45 in Jackson, Mississippi in 1966. Maybe I can sell it as Mississippi John Hurt's J-45, since he was from Mississippi and played a J-45 just like it a couple of years before that. Gee, I'm sure it must have been his. Provenance, provenance, pleeez...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Now I won't be negative, just a little skeptical. I heard Winston gave Zimmerman an acoustic guitar at some point and I've heard one of Johns ended up in the hands of Ronnie Hawkins – probably the Rishikesh D-28. Don't know about the 160. Talking about the 2, did you hear this 2009 tale : Bob Dylan remained unknown as he joined tourists on a £16 bus tour of John Lennon's childhood house. The 67-year-old legend was not recognized as he joined tourists at the house in Liverpool, where he is currently based as part of his tour,and looked over the memorabilia. A spokeswoman for the National Trust, which owns and looks after the house, said to British newspaper the Daily Mirror: "We couldn't believe it when his agent rang us and asked if we could get Bob on one of our tours to see John's house." The spokeswoman added: "He spent ages going through photo albums and was thrilled at all the memorabilia. He's definitely the biggest celebrity we've ever had on our tours. Incredibly no one else recognized him." Love Bob when he sets up such stunts - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarrr Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 In 1966 while touring in England with the Beatles the press asked him about his 60s protest songs... Dylan said 'me? I'm just a song and dance man'.. The two things I claim above all from Minnesota are my mother and mr zimmerman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParlourMan Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 Yeah, I think for 200k I'd be looking for something more concrete too.... I shall watch with interest though. Imagine what it would have gone for if it wasn't a laminate guitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisA83 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 The two Elvis guitars sound like a better deal!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 In 1966 while touring in England with the Beatles the press asked him about his 60s protest songs... Dylan said 'me? I'm just a song and dance man'.. Remember the 'song and dance man' quote, but touring with The Beatles ?? 1966 was a busy time for both acts and sucked the guts out of all 5 guys. It became their last bigger scale live-performance year for a long time to come. Dylan tried to make a docu/art-film – can't remember the name – and invited Lennon inside a limo in London to do some talk-stuff with the camera rolling. Unfortunately Bob was so stoned he couldn't keep his tongue nor shades in place. Rather shocking footage – believe even the sharp dressed, more clear minded Lennon found that situation a bit beside itself. So another myth there (and I guess there will be myriads of them in the future) – Bob Dylan and The Band did not tour with the Fab 4 in '66. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarrr Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Martin Scorsese 2005 'No way home' was the Dylan film I was trying to remember, thanks for the correction on the touring thing. I'm fortunate that I can remember anything from my college days ~1966. I think one reason I'm such a Gibson dude is that the memories of the Beatles and Dylan playing their wood never goes away. The 'song and dance man' line is the heart of Dylan's personality to me, forever young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I'm fortunate that I can remember anything from my college days ~1966. I think one reason I'm such a Gibson dude is that the memories of the Beatles and Dylan playing their wood never goes away. How right you are! Those of us who were in college in the late '60s (started in '65 for me) were in the right place at the right time when it comes to the "modern" legends of music. I think of Dylan with his J-45 at Newport, and Lennon with the J-160 (yeah, OK, and the Epi as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 John and George first bought their J-160E's in 1962. Take a look at this fantastic picture. The story goes they switched so J played G's and vice-v. Then the following year John's - in reality George's - was stolen and another had to be brought inside the camp. We know that one from a lot performances, and from both the A Hard Days Night and Help ! movie. After a couple of years this guitar – like many other things and phenomenons - got into messing with lysergicaciddiethylamid and went through a severe psychedelic phase that might have lasted for a few seasons. This eventually to led to a rehab, which resulted in the radical down-sanding of the brave 160. But fun wasn't over. Lennon soon grabbed a black marker and decorated the now blonde top for a second round. This time with a double portrait of himself and his wife. Now the first60's Gibson was ready to end the decade with yet another classic performance : The recording of Give Peace A Chance in a hotel-room in Toronto. Looks as if even the braces are blue - Wonder what became of the experienced guitar . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Wonder what became of the experienced guitar . . . It's good to know that my old J-45 wasn't the only one that went through a lot of ch-ch-ch-changes during those years! Not to mention my brain cells, of course. The "give peace a chance" incarnation of that venerable J-160 would probably be right up there with Clapton's ES-335 if it came on the market today. Does anyone know (not urban legend, but real knowledge) what happened to it, or where it is? And, along those lines, does anyone know what the most expensive Gibson acoustic ever sold at auction (or otherwise) might be? I'm assuming the Clapton ES-335 is the most expensive Gibson electric ever sold, at $800K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rar Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Does anyone know (not urban legend, but real knowledge) what happened to it, or where it is? It's in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, on loan from the Lennon estate, and has been for ages. Here are a photo of Ren (with Andy Babiuk, author of Beatles Gear), at the Hall in Cleveland, getting the guitar's specs for doing the original series of repros of the guitar in its three states back in the '90s. And, along those lines, does anyone know what the most expensive Gibson acoustic ever sold at auction (or otherwise) might be? I'm assuming the Clapton ES-335 is the most expensive Gibson electric ever sold, at $800K. As far as I know, Ken Grosslight's purchase of the "Special L-5" -- the first SJ-200 prototype -- from Gruhn's all the way back in 1994 (IIRC) still holds the record it set for Gibson flattops, a mere $100K. (That's less that Elderly's asking price for the random prewar SJ-200 they have, $125K.) The Country Music Hall of Fame paid Gruhn's $575K for Maybelle Carter's L-5 archtop (thanks to a donation specifically for the purchase from Bob McLean) back in 2004. Both sales set records at the time, but both were a long time ago and may have been broken. -- Bob R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 It's in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, on loan from the Lennon estate, and has been for ages. -- Bob R And that's where it belongs....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Good information rar – Thank you. That is quite a journey. Now we need to focus on Harrisons' – (the formal Lennon axe) Take a look at the rear right - , , , and check Clapper on the shelf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 , , and check Clapper on the shelf[/size][/font] Not to mention the harp guitar over the fireplace...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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